release at or after

[nevets88]

Is it possible to sense by feel that the inline condition - flat lead wrist, forward shaft lean, shallow AoA - is optimal? Or is that something innate?

[parallax]

Putting yourself in a position is not the same as trying to see hand/arm/shaft alignments during an event that last 400 microseconds.

Is your imagination broken? The mind isn't a high speed camera, and I am not implying that it is. With everything you see the mind is filling in gaps and making interpretations. Your point is moot. When you give your students advice, they use their imagination and try to implement it. My question is about perspective and how the look of shaft lean at impact differs from different perspectives. IMHO, an inline shaft, with a flat left wrist, "looks" like forward shat lean to the person swinging the club. Maybe I am wrong, but your responses are tangential.

[14ledo81]

Is your imagination broken?

The mind isn't a high speed camera, and I am not implying that it is. With everything you see the mind is filling in gaps and making interpretations. Your point is moot.

When you give your students advice, they use their imagination and try to implement it.

My question is about perspective and how the look of shaft lean at impact differs from different perspectives. IMHO, an inline shaft, with a flat left wrist, "looks" like forward shat lean to the person swinging the club.

Maybe I am wrong, but your responses are tangential.

I understand the point you were trying to make.

My answer is "It depends on ball position".

If the ball is in the middle of the stance, and you have a flat left wrist, it should "look" like forward shaft lean.  If the ball is off of the big toe (driver), and you have a flat left wrist, I do not believe it would "look" like forward shaft lean.

[mvmac]

Is it possible to sense by feel that the inline condition - flat lead wrist, forward shaft lean, shallow AoA - is optimal? Or is that something innate?

Some players arrive to that conclusion innately, obviously most don't and have to learn how to get there.  The feels required will differ from player to player.

Is your imagination broken?

The mind isn't a high speed camera, and I am not implying that it is. With everything you see the mind is filling in gaps and making interpretations. Your point is moot.

My question is about perspective and how the look of shaft lean at impact differs from different perspectives. IMHO, an inline shaft, with a flat left wrist, "looks" like forward shat lean to the person swinging the club.

I was figuring you post was referring to jclark saying that from his perspective he could see the butt of the club inline with the instep of this left foot .

http://thesandtrap.com/t/71690/release-at-or-after#post_933523

When you give your students advice, they use their imagination and try to implement it.

When you give a student advice you have them perform the motion slowly, rehearsing it over and over again.  Then try to recreate that feel, but they'll never be where they were during the practice swings.

[parallax]

I understand the point you were trying to make. My answer is "It depends on ball position". If the ball is in the middle of the stance, and you have a flat left wrist, it should "look" like forward shaft lean.  If the ball is off of the big toe (driver), and you have a flat left wrist, I do not believe it would "look" like forward shaft lean.

Got it. This makes sense.

[Ernest Jones]

When you give a student advice you have them perform the motion slowly, rehearsing it over and over again.  Then try to recreate that feel, but they'll never be where they were during the practice swings.

Ain't that the sad truth...