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So I was hitting really well today except for my approaches. Skulled 5 over the green today. Only played 9. What the hell is going on? Two of th shots were a mere 90 yards to the flag. Any suggestions? Striping drives. Striping the 7 and 8i approaches. But 92 yards? Skull over the green. Every. Time.

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What is your 90 yard club? Is it a full swing or a partial swing? If it isn't a full swing, what club and swing is it? Is this a typical result from 90 yards or was today abnormal?

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It's a partial swing with my 54 vokey. Definitely not the norm. I'm not within 5 feet everytime or anything but 99 percent of the time I'm on the green from that distance. I also duffed 2 chip shots. I'm pretty worried.

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TaylorMade Burner 10.5*

Adams Insight BUL 15*
Taylormade RBZ 3H

TaylorMade RBZ 4-AW

Vokey SM4 54-11

Cleveland CG14 58 2 dot wedge

Ping Karsten Series Craz-E putter

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90 yards with a partial 54*? Wow im striping a 52* full on at that distance lol From my experience skulling it for me is head and body up to see where its gone, drags the clubhead up and it never gets chance to get under the ball and skulls ahoy!!! If its not the its either weight not foreard enough and your hitting up on it Or perhaps youve let the ball position get to far forward??

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If I had to guess?

Ball too far back in your stance, leads to you not letting your weight go forward and flipping to try to get the ball up in the air and to not take a huge divot.

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Well I am in CO where the ball flies a mile. Trust me it's not my mechanics! Erik, I could of sworn it was middle stance every time... I'll have to make sure of it on Saturday when I play. Where do you recommend a sw ball position? Oh and none of my approaches took divots yesterday either. It was weird. Still came into the greens nice with the 7 and 8i but no divot. More of a sweeping swing yesterday. Too much body turn? I 'think' I was turning as much as I do with my driver using my irons. Like I said I hit those really well but no removal of earth yesterday. I tell ya. 5 possible nice looks at birdie turned into doubles cuz of those skulls. It's haunting. It's time for a lesson me thinks.

In my Ogio Blade Stand Bag:
 

TaylorMade Burner 10.5*

Adams Insight BUL 15*
Taylormade RBZ 3H

TaylorMade RBZ 4-AW

Vokey SM4 54-11

Cleveland CG14 58 2 dot wedge

Ping Karsten Series Craz-E putter

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If I had to guess, it think you're probably swinging a little too hard / fast. I probably take too big of a divot, but I can't remember the last time I skulled a wedge. It's been years. I make sure I hit a descending blow. Flies straighter and stops quicker. Make sure you pinch your shorter irons. My boogie man in putting. Shot a 73 today with the wind blowing pretty good. A storm passed thru on the back nine. 13 GIR but only two birdies. Rolling the ball well but not making them. Lots of tap ins.

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Well I'm getting worse weekly. Shot a 97 yesterday. I'm about to give up. Haven't shit that high in 10 years. Not sure how many lessons id have to take to fix all these problems I'm having lately. Even my drives went haywire starting on 15. Hitting em really high about 180 yards. So frustrating.

In my Ogio Blade Stand Bag:
 

TaylorMade Burner 10.5*

Adams Insight BUL 15*
Taylormade RBZ 3H

TaylorMade RBZ 4-AW

Vokey SM4 54-11

Cleveland CG14 58 2 dot wedge

Ping Karsten Series Craz-E putter

Top Flite Gamer


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Well I'm getting worse weekly. Shot a 97 yesterday. I'm about to give up. Haven't shit that high in 10 years. Not sure how many lessons id have to take to fix all these problems I'm having lately.

Probably a lot fewer than you think.

http://thesandtrap.com/t/32035/my-swing-kleraudio/72#post_895590 hasn't been updated since last year.

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What about your left wrist? When I'm not focused on keeping my hands forward, I tend to break my left wrist and get the club head in front of my hands at impact. Maybe you are doing this as well as not moving your weight forward during the swing is causing you to skull the ball.

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90 yards in a difficult yardage for me too.

I find Im in between a "knockdown type "shot with a GW and a "pitch type" shot.

I find I have to decide to either chock down on a 54 degree and look for a specific spot in front of the ball to hit a knockdown.

Or just aim slightly left of the pin and cut pitch.


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I would bet casting may be going on just by the sound of it, driving the ball fine but no divots with irons?

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If trouble in front skulls are bad . If green wide open that shot might be effective . Review the slopes if you do the 2nd

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When hitting shorter shots (under 100), I swing keeping my lower body quieter. You don't need the dynamics. Three quarter shots, half shots, knockdowns, punches, pitch and run all require clean, crisp strikes. I'm a master at punching shots from under trees. :) Same for fairway bunkers. Unless there is a big lip, I hit 3/4 amd 1/2 shots etc., hitting the ball first, not the sand. With practce, fairway bunkers from 150 in won't be a problem.

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So I was hitting really well today except for my approaches. Skulled 5 over the green today. Only played 9. What the hell is going on?

Two of th shots were a mere 90 yards to the flag. Any suggestions?

Striping drives. Striping the 7 and 8i approaches. But 92 yards? Skull over the green. Every. Time.

I think sand wedge can be difficult to hit full swing, especially if it has too much bounce.

Or maybe your were just too anxious to see the ball land on the green and forgot to finish your swing.

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