Playing Golf with Someone Carrying a Weapon

[Ernest Jones]

Fixed it

Good rebuttal. You must have been a terror on the debate team. :doh:

[jusanothajoe]

Good rebuttal. You must have been a terror on the debate team.

Really getting don't you think ?

[chilidawg]

I am a gun owner, and I like to go to the range (shooting).  that being said, however, I do not CCW, nor do I have any desire to do so.  (And I often work as a contractor in some of the roughest parts of Chicago.)

While the majority of gun owners are sane, normal people, I know a few people with CCW permits and I have often found that the person who is compelled to CCW everywhere a little bit off in my opinion.   (the George Zimmerman type, if you catch my drift)

A gun is a tool.  Useful in certain, rare circumstances, but the vast majority of us will never, ever, ever, have the need to use one (unless we are deliberately looking to do so i.e. George Zimmerman)

If you are that insecure, that you feel that you need to carry a loaded gun with you everywhere, then I don't want to be around you.

Besides, as far as I can tell, all the golf courses around me have specific "No Firearms" policies.

[chilidawg]

I don't know if this has been posted yet, but. . .

Quote:

“Words were exchanged about golf etiquette and playing through,” police Capt. Thomas Steck told the New Britain Herald . “A man in the first group then went to his golf cart and retrieved a firearm.”

At that point, the Herald reports, Baeza hid the gun under his clothes then turned to the party behind him and pulled up his shirt to reveal it. The group that was threatened informed the golf shop, who telephoned the police who later arrived at the scene.

Baeza was arrested and his gun and permit were both seized, Golf.com reports.

He is now facing threatening and breach of peace charges, according to NBC Connecticut, as well as a ban from ever playing at Stanley Golf Course again.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/wp/2015/05/07/golfer-pulls-gun-out-on-course-after-being-told-he-was-moving-too-slowly/

[Kieran123]

I would not be comfortable with it, but I also wouldn't play at a course where someone would think a gun is necessary.

[rehmwa]

I would not be comfortable with it, but I also wouldn't play at a course where someone would think a gun is necessary.

Actually, that's a good point.  Instead of being all pissy about whatever social stance one is favoring on the topic and generalizing the mental state without any real info, of the stranger in front of you with one's caricatures of whatever stereotype fits ones ego....., maybe it's worthwhile simply asking the guy if it's just for general purpose, or if he has a specific reason at this very golf course or neighborhood.

If there is a specific reason, I'd like to know it ahead of time......

Answer - "I'm scared of the aliens and radio waves make my brain hurt"....(I might sit out this foursome)

Answer - "I had to pick it up from the shop and don't want to leave it untended in my car"......(I'll go along)

Answer - "There have been multiple stabbing on the back 9 as it's near a messy neighborhood" ......  (Thanks, good luck, I might get a reservation at the other course)

(my bias to what is typically the answer I'm used to).... Answer - "I've had a carry permit for years now and I am just used to having it with me"......(Nice, we have something to talk about while getting acquainted)

Frankly, If anyone answered direct yes, or no, instead of "I'd use my impression of the person in front of me and decide then...." - I think you are likely pushing an agenda, or exaggerating your political view on the topic for discussion's sake (thanks really, that's fine), or scared of life one way or the other.......

[Gunther]

Actually, that's a good point.  Instead of being all pissy about whatever social stance one is favoring on the topic and generalizing the mental state without any real info, of the stranger in front of you with one's caricatures of whatever stereotype fits ones ego....., maybe it's worthwhile simply asking the guy if it's just for general purpose, or if he has a specific reason at this very golf course or neighborhood. If there is a specific reason, I'd like to know it ahead of time...... Answer - "I'm scared of the aliens and radio waves make my brain hurt"....(I might sit out this foursome) Answer - "I had to pick it up from the shop and don't want to leave it untended in my car"......(I'll go along) Answer - "There have been multiple stabbing on the back 9 as it's near a messy neighborhood" ......  (Thanks, good luck, I might get a reservation at the other course) (my bias to what is typically the answer I'm used to).... Answer - "I've had a carry permit for years now and I am just used to having it with me"......(Nice, we have something to talk about while getting acquainted) Frankly, If anyone answered direct yes, or no, instead of "I'd use my impression of the person in front of me and decide then...." - I think you are likely pushing an agenda, or exaggerating your political view on the topic for discussion's sake (thanks really, that's fine), or scared of life one way or the other.......

Good post and I agree 100%.

[Ernest Jones]

Good post and I agree 100%.

Me too. EDIT: I just realized that the only two answer that I'd be comfortable playing along don't actually require it to be loaded. Still let's not little details ruin this warm and fuzzy moment. :-D For the record @rehmwa , I voted the "maybe" option and agree with your post.

[dkolo]

I do have a fire extinguisher, first aid kit and an epi pen at both my home and work. But none of them would save me during a robbery.

Well, not with that attitude they won't. You just need to use more imagination!

[rkim291968]

Frankly, If anyone answered direct yes, or no, instead of "I'd use my impression of the person in front of me and decide then...." - I think you are likely pushing an agenda, or exaggerating your political view on the topic for discussion's sake (thanks really, that's fine), or scared of life one way or the other.......

I don't think that was the case for many who answered with direct yes or no.  I answered no b/c I believe people may not be a good judge of character at 1st impression. In my dealings with people (53 years at work, neighborhood), I ran into many who appeared to be fine at 1st impression (or in job interview) only to turn out to be rather weird, or darn right crazy.   If anyone here says he is a perfect judge of character after the initial impression (at tee box no less), he can go on mixing with people with loaded gun in golf course.   I just don't feel I am that person with perfect (even average) judge of character.

There were posters and posts here that clearly was for gun right and gun control despite many poster's effort to keep the thread above it.   But there were just as many that stuck to answering poll question with explanation.

[rehmwa]

I had to look this up, googled "andy griffith show barney loading a gun", and came up with this:

That pretty much sums up what most people would do. . .

Digression - Sorry about that.....

The "Barney Fife"/Mayberry theme is used constantly as a derogatory slur.

I think that's sad.....

Here we have cops:

1 - They take the time and know everyone in the town personally and are friends with everyone

2 - They use judgement with offenders and give warnings or help people out (example, letting the town drunk sleep it off in the jail instead of arresting him)

3 - They figure out problems before they turn bad and try to settle stuff peacefully

4 - They go about business with the least amount of force, even minimize the show of force always

5 - They are part of the community

6 - Can get the job done without being armed at all

it's not much of slur if you look at at closely - frankly police departments all over could take some lessons

[Ernest Jones]

Digression - Sorry about that.....

The "Barney Fife"/Mayberry theme is used constantly as a derogatory slur.

I think that's sad.....

Here we have cops:

1 - They take the time and know everyone in the town personally and are friends with everyone

2 - They use judgement with offenders and give warnings or help people out (example, letting the town drunk sleep it off in the jail instead of arresting him)

3 - They figure out problems before they turn bad and try to settle stuff peacefully

4 - They go about business with the least amount of force, even minimize the show of force always

5 - They are part of the community

6 - Can get the job done without being armed at all

it's not much of slur if you look at at closely - frankly police departments all over could take some lessons

QFT.

[Gunther]

Digression - Sorry about that..... The "Barney Fife"/Mayberry theme is used constantly as a derogatory slur. I think that's sad..... Here we have cops: 1 - They take the time and know everyone in the town personally and are friends with everyone 2 - They use judgement with offenders and give warnings or help people out (example, letting the town drunk sleep it off in the jail instead of arresting him) 3 - They figure out problems before they turn bad and try to settle stuff peacefully 4 - They go about business with the least amount of force, even minimize the show of force always 5 - They are part of the community 6 - Can get the job done without being armed at all it's not much of slur if you look at at closely - frankly police departments all over could take some lessons

Agreed and I believe this practice is followed (minus being unarmed) in many small town communities today. Much tougher to pull it off in large cities, although the ideals are worth trying to emulate. Bottom line, there are a lot of bad people out there and I'm thankful for those who are fighting them.

[chilidawg]

These days, Barney would have shot Ernest T. Bass the first time Enest T. threw rocks at him.

[Ringworld]

I find it odd that currently a majority (albeit slight) would actually play golf with someone that flashes their gun.  Loaded or unloaded it makes no difference.  You always assume it's loaded for safety.

The thing I find odd though is that if the situation were the same but at a different location, say a shopping mall, would you think the same thing?  How could you feel safe with a total stranger that flashes their gun at a golf course or someplace else?  My point is this, a gun escalates the situation, much like any weapon would especially if the need really doesn't call for it.  Safe or not safe the situation would set off all sort of danger signals.  If your supposed playing partner had a gun and you didn't would you feel safer because he had a gun and you didn't? Or does that mean you both have to be carrying in order to feel safe?

Somehow the logic escapes me.  Now before you send me up in flames..... honestly how would that be any safer than crossing the street?  Or worse still, would you allow you child to play golf with a stranger brandishing a gun?  Maybe golf hunting for golf balls?  But won't that affect the pace of play?  (I am being sarcastic here.)

[rdsandy]

I find it odd that currently a majority (albeit slight) would actually play golf with someone that flashes their gun.  Loaded or unloaded it makes no difference.  You always assume it's loaded for safety.

The thing I find odd though is that if the situation were the same but at a different location, say a shopping mall, would you think the same thing?  How could you feel safe with a total stranger that flashes their gun at a golf course or someplace else?  My point is this, a gun escalates the situation, much like any weapon would especially if the need really doesn't call for it.  Safe or not safe the situation would set off all sort of danger signals.  If your supposed playing partner had a gun and you didn't would you feel safer because he had a gun and you didn't? Or does that mean you both have to be carrying in order to feel safe?

Somehow the logic escapes me.  Now before you send me up in flames..... honestly how would that be any safer than crossing the street?  Or worse still, would you allow you child to play golf with a stranger brandishing a gun?  Maybe golf hunting for golf balls?  But won't that affect the pace of play?  (I am being sarcastic here.)

The poll question mentioned nothing about brandishing. If I played golf with you and you new I had a concealed carry permit, you could assume I had a gun. Would you feel uncomfortable? Brandishing implies a rash, hot head etc. I doubt anyone would feel comfortable in that situation, gun or not.

[David in FL]

I find it odd that currently a majority (albeit slight) would actually play golf with someone that flashes their gun.  Loaded or unloaded it makes no difference.  You always assume it's loaded for safety.  The thing I find odd though is that if the situation were the same but at a different location, say a shopping mall, would you think the same thing?  How could you feel safe with a total stranger that flashes their gun at a golf course or someplace else?  My point is this, a gun escalates the situation, much like any weapon would especially if the need really doesn't call for it.  Safe or not safe the situation would set off all sort of danger signals.  If your supposed playing partner had a gun and you didn't would you feel safer because he had a gun and you didn't? Or does that mean you both have to be carrying in order to feel safe?  Somehow the logic escapes me.  Now before you send me up in flames..... honestly how would that be any safer than crossing the street?  Or worse still, would you allow you child to play golf with a stranger brandishing a gun?  Maybe golf hunting for golf balls?  But won't that affect the pace of play?  (I am being sarcastic here.)

There's absolutely nothing in the OP that indicates that the gun was flashed, brandished, or displayed in any inappropriate way. Sorry.

[inthehole]

The fallacy in all this is that a responsible CCW person would not show his piece, ever.     It just isn't done.    If somebody shows their gun, especially to a stranger, that's a huge red flag, and I as a CCW holder would excuse myself from that foursome, every time.