Overdrawing and hooking

[Josh90]

So with the help from mostly this site and one lesson I'm starting to really get the hang of golf. By no means am I good yet but the ball is really starting to go where I want it to with distance and direction and I've been Playing for a little over 5 months. And recently I've been trying to get rid of my over the top slice and I think I've fixed that issue. So with my in to out swing now mainly I've been getting gentle draws with alot of small pushes which generally put me on the right side of the fairway or the first cut. So I've been trying to get a little more out of them lately and the last round I played I definitely have overdone it it seems the longer the clubs the more it draws/hooks now. My 8 iron through 5 irons have a very aggressive draw to them like aim for the right side of the green to compensate but the ball ends up missing left by 5 or 10 yards. And my driver now is just a straight hook low and right off the tee. I'm wondering if it might be my grip but I haven't tested that theory out yet. But one positive I've gotten from this is that my irons are going noticeably farther now. Several times I believed I had the right club to hit the front of the green only to see it land 5 to 10 yards past the green so I'm very confused about all of this. So if anyone has any ideas for me I would love to try them

[saevel25]

If you have a My Swing thread then update it with a new video. If not then I recommend creating a My Swing thread. It's hard to say what exactly is the fix for your issue with out seeing your current swing. 

[natureboy]

The new distance you've found is very likely from a lower trajectory due to the more closed face you're presenting through impact as well as extra roll from the overdraw. Only really potentially valuable with the driver or with the irons on a links course.

Carry distance is what you should be focusing on at a trajectory or spin rate that produces a soft (steepish) landing angle on the first bounce so the ball has a chance to stick. Low overdraw can be good for extra distance with driver, but it can sometimes run until it finds trouble - you need control or room to make it work.

Edited August 8, 2016 by natureboy

[Josh90]

It's actually on the same trajectory with my irons. But when my old iron shots would start coming down these kick into 2nd gear is what it looks like

[natureboy]

16 minutes ago, Josh90 said:

It's actually on the same trajectory with my irons. But when my old iron shots would start coming down these kick into 2nd gear is what it looks like

What's 'on the same trajectory with my irons'?

[DrvFrShow]

It's difficult to tell what you're doing without a video.... a slow motion video would be best.

[Josh90]

33 minutes ago, natureboy said:

What's 'on the same trajectory with my irons'?

You said earlier you figured my irons were on a lower trajectory now which was how I gained the extra yardage but the ball seemed to go even higher and just seemed to have alot more behind it. Last month my 7 iron might go 165 yards but today it was going 190-200 and that's just carry

And I will post a video hopefully shortly but I just wanted some more ideas thrown around because I am going to the range to try and figure out what's going wrong

[billchao]

40 minutes ago, Josh90 said:

And I will post a video hopefully shortly but I just wanted some more ideas thrown around because I am going to the range to try and figure out what's going wrong

Without seeing your swing, I'd say you're probably getting the path too far right now.

[Josh90]

21 minutes ago, billchao said:

Without seeing your swing, I'd say you're probably getting the path too far right now.

As in I'm swinging too far from in to out?

[billchao]

4 minutes ago, Josh90 said:

As in I'm swinging too far from in to out?

That's my guess without seeing your swing, yes.

[natureboy]

14 hours ago, Josh90 said:

You said earlier you figured my irons were on a lower trajectory now which was how I gained the extra yardage but the ball seemed to go even higher and just seemed to have alot more behind it. Last month my 7 iron might go 165 yards but today it was going 190-200 and that's just carry

And I will post a video hopefully shortly but I just wanted some more ideas thrown around because I am going to the range to try and figure out what's going wrong

To gain 30 yards of carry with your irons in one month with an even higher trajectory is pretty spectacular. You either found a tremendous amount of new clubhead speed or used to consistently hit it hugely off-center.

I'm curious what new clubs, training aid, or training system did you adopt to make this huge advance?

[Josh90]

1 hour ago, natureboy said:

To gain 30 yards of carry with your irons in one month with an even higher trajectory is pretty spectacular. You either found a tremendous amount of new clubhead speed or used to consistently hit it hugely off-center.

I'm curious what new clubs, training aid, or training system did you adopt to make this huge advance?

The only thing I can guess at is that I am normally someone who tends to pick the ball up cleanly off the ground without a divot with my irons but last night definitely felt like I was hitting more down on them. And maybe some of it was off centered hits but I'm not positive. With changing recently to swinging in to out it really helps to swing with my body and try and keep my arms just along for the ride I guess you could say. Would this swing change possibly have  given me anymore clubhead speed?

[natureboy]

6 hours ago, Josh90 said:

The only thing I can guess at is that I am normally someone who tends to pick the ball up cleanly off the ground without a divot with my irons but last night definitely felt like I was hitting more down on them. And maybe some of it was off centered hits but I'm not positive. With changing recently to swinging in to out it really helps to swing with my body and try and keep my arms just along for the ride I guess you could say. Would this swing change possibly have  given me anymore clubhead speed?

For your 5 iron that's about equivalent to gaining 20 mph of swing speed. While an inside approach is the right way to get a more powerful strike, I tend to think that  single change is unlikely to have resulted in that much swing speed gain, especially when your old shot shape was relatively straight.

If you had been hitting thin previously, that would have tended to have a lower trajectory than your new 'steeper' approach that might be catching the ball higher on the face and closer to the sweet spot. If you had been way off center previously, the lower ball speed should also have lowered the trajectory vs.your current improved strike.

Do a swing thread.

Edited August 9, 2016 by natureboy