Multiple People Killed in Shooting at Fort Lauderdale Airport

[iacas]

47 minutes ago, Lihu said:

Unfortunately, it's even easier and cheaper to get one illegally in the United States.

No it isn't.

This counts as political commentary instead of just the news. So no more of that.

[carpediem4300]

is it because your opinion is that it isnt easier, or do you have statistics to back that up?

according to this article as soon as a weapon is passed from the legal owner to someone else it becomes an illegal firearm, which would mean getting an illegal firearm is actually very very easy in america, get a normal law abiding citizen to buy it, then give it to you, its now an illegal one?

http://gun.laws.com/illegal-guns/illegal-guns-statistics

 

Edited January 9, 2017 by carpediem4300

[RandallT]

Let's stay off gun laws, folks.  Yes, it's relevant after mass shootings, but we all know where that discussion leads here, and it's never pretty. 

We are ok with topics brought up like this live during an event to discuss various news trickling from breaking situations. As the talk crosses over into a long term political solutions, however, we would prefer people go elsewhere for those detailed discussions and debates. 

[Elmer]

I can not help but think, if everyone in that airport was carrying, they all could have returned fire and stopped this tragedy!

[Gunther]

4 hours ago, RandallT said:

Let's stay off gun laws, folks.  Yes, it's relevant after mass shootings, but we all know where that discussion leads here, and it's never pretty. 

We are ok with topics brought up like this live during an event to discuss various news trickling from breaking situations. As the talk crosses over into a long term political solutions, however, we would prefer people go elsewhere for those detailed discussions and debates. 

Reasonable, measured post.  You're a good mod.

[Hatchman]

1 hour ago, Elmer said:

I can not help but think, if everyone in that airport was carrying, they all could have returned fire and stopped this tragedy!

Agreed.  But how would they acquire that gun then?  It does boill down to a gun debate, eventually.

[RandallT]

Thanks, @Gunther... but people are not getting my hint 

@Hatchman- @Elmer was being sarcastic. I don't tend to agree with him often, but it did give me a chuckle knowing where he stands on gun control. But... let's not discuss gun control please. Let's just leave this topic as discussing the facts around this event (probably most has been said). My finger is on the warning button. 

 

[Hatchman]

2 minutes ago, RandallT said:

Thanks, @Gunther... but people are not getting my hint 

@Hatchman- @Elmer was being sarcastic. I don't tend to agree with him often, but it did give me a chuckle knowing where he stands on gun control. But... let's not discuss gun control please. Let's just leave this topic as discussing the facts around this event (probably most has been said). My finger is on the warning button. 

 

Yes I agree Randall.  A tragic topic that most likely will envoke new or changed TSA, Homeland Security, and State Department regulations.

[Abu3baid]

1 hour ago, Hatchman said:

Yes I agree Randall.  A tragic topic that most likely will envoke new or changed TSA, Homeland Security, and State Department regulations.

I think it's ok to allow people to check in their guns, but don't allow bullets.  If you want to travel with your gun, great, but to get bullets you'll have to go find them where your going.  That's one new rule I would support.

[Lihu]

11 minutes ago, Abu3baid said:

I think it's ok to allow people to check in their guns, but don't allow bullets.  If you want to travel with your gun, great, but to get bullets you'll have to go find them where your going.  That's one new rule I would support.

Agree, this would probably have prevented this tragedy. That, and the fact that the perpetrator confessed to being mentally unstable to authorities and should have been on a "No Fly List".

[iacas]

37 minutes ago, Abu3baid said:

I think it's ok to allow people to check in their guns, but don't allow bullets.  If you want to travel with your gun, great, but to get bullets you'll have to go find them where your going.  That's one new rule I would support.

That's dumb because as others said he could have just driven a car up to baggage claim and done worse things.

People who shoot often make their own ammo. "Bullets" are not all the same.

[Lihu]

53 minutes ago, iacas said:

That's dumb because as others said he could have just driven a car up to baggage claim and done worse things.

People who shoot often make their own ammo. "Bullets" are not all the same.

In fact, a couple people did this type of thing on different occasions at LAX and not just the baggage claim areas.

A bullet ban on airlines could have prevented this particular problem. However, I agree he could have gone out, gotten bullets and come back to shoot up the airport, but that would have taken a couple extra steps.

[Hatchman]

It goes back to the initial question, what's wrong with people?  

Today, as in the past, there are many things wrong as reported with this guy.  More may be revealed.

[Abu3baid]

38 minutes ago, iacas said:

That's dumb because as others said he could have just driven a car up to baggage claim and done worse things.

People who shoot often make their own ammo. "Bullets" are not all the same.

Well, I would also support having policemen from now on 24/7 at entrances and exists of airport.  Someone coming from outside to shoot the place up might get noticed, but the guy loading the gun the bathroom no one even considered before.

If someone makes their own ammo then they better fedex it to where they are going because it is not traveling with them.

if you have a better solution to help protect travelers please let us know.  I say, with all the money thrown into airport security they can have a little bit stronger security so that a guy can't just shoot the place up until he runs out of ammo.  

Can't believe he wasn't confronted by anyone before running out of ammo and laying on the ground.

[Lihu]

8 minutes ago, Abu3baid said:

Can't believe he wasn't confronted by anyone before running out of ammo and laying on the ground.

It's kind of tough to tackle down someone trained to kill who is shooting at you. . .

[Hatchman]

30 minutes ago, Abu3baid said:

Can't believe he wasn't confronted by anyone before running out of ammo and laying on the ground.

In the 23 second TMZ graphic YouTube video I don't think the young man with the two boys in front of him walking or the older couples walking behind him have training to take out an active shooter.  Once he pulled and fired to his right he then started running out of baggage camera view.  

[natureboy]

53 minutes ago, Abu3baid said:

Can't believe he wasn't confronted by anyone before running out of ammo and laying on the ground.

I can't believe people didn't come up and beat the daylights out of him to subdue him 'for sure', but they may have thought it was a ruse and were just following the shelter instructions on the PA.

[Ernest Jones]

1 hour ago, Abu3baid said:

Well, I would also support having policemen from now on 24/7 at entrances and exists of airport.  Someone coming from outside to shoot the place up might get noticed, but the guy loading the gun the bathroom no one even considered before.

If someone makes their own ammo then they better fedex it to where they are going because it is not traveling with them.

if you have a better solution to help protect travelers please let us know.  I say, with all the money thrown into airport security they can have a little bit stronger security so that a guy can't just shoot the place up until he runs out of ammo.  

Can't believe he wasn't confronted by anyone before running out of ammo and laying on the ground.

 

But then you're leaving the entrance to the public library unguarded... Putting a ton of cops outside airport entrances after the fact is like making people take their shoes off at security. It makes people feel better, but it's a little ****ing late.