Golf World Ranking for Average Golfers

[Wornout1iron]

2 minutes ago, David in FL said:

So the 20 hcp who shoots 87 had a single great (for him) round.  The 6 hcp who shoots 78, nice, but nothing special.  I get that.  More importantly, I don't see the attraction/need of something that tells me that.  I know that my 78 is a decent round, but does it give me any sense of accomplishment to know that a scratch golfer had a bad round at the same course and shot a 75 that is relatively worse for him?  Heck no.  Nor does it detract from how I feel about my score to know that the high hcp player had an outlying low round.

 

That is interesting that you feel that. It might be that this appeals to some and not to others. For me it is a matter of whether the majority of golfers like this or not. I don't mind some not liking it or needing it. You may be in the majority and if the market research supports that, then I have my answer. 

By the way, why do musicians care about being top of the charts. From the sales, they know if they have a good song. Why do they need to know their song sold more than another song that is completely different to theirs and targets a different kind of music lover? If what you are saying applied to everyone, there would be no charts and there would be no best-selling book lists because nobody would care. The truth is they do care. People care how well they did, even when it is not comparing like for like. It's a human nature thing. Forbes Rich List: People care passionately about being on that list, so much so that they send personal accounts to Forbes when they disagree with their ranking. And here we are talking about people who are completely different. Some make money by services, some with products, some with investments. Comparable? No way. Do people like to compare anyway. You bet. Just saying... 

2 minutes ago, jsgolfer said:

59 is an awesome gross score, there's reverence in that number.  A 59 net means your a sandbagger.

Well, then Justin Thomas is a "sandbagger". His scoring average is roughly 69. He shot 10 under his average score. 

[jsgolfer]

Just now, Wornout1iron said:

That is interesting that you feel that. It might be that this appeals to some and not to others. For me it is a matter of whether the majority of golfers like this or not. I don't mind some not liking it or needing it. You may be in the majority and if the market research supports that, then I have my answer. 

By the way, why do musicians care about being top of the charts. From the sales, they know if they have a good song. Why do they need to know their song sold more than another song that is completely different to theirs and targets a different kind of music lover? If what you are saying applied to everyone, there would be no charts and there would be no best-selling book lists because nobody would care. The truth is they do care. People care how well they did, even when it is not comparing like for like. It's a human nature thing. Forbes Rich List: People care passionately about being on that list, so much so that they send personal accounts to Forbes when they disagree with their ranking. And here we are talking about people who are completely different. Some make money by services, some with products, some with investments. Comparable? No way. Do people like to compare anyway. You bet. Just saying... 

People care, because they all want to make money.  Being on some list of amateur golfers, unless it is on this one, http://www.wagr.com,  wouldn't do much for how I feel about my game relative to others.  

[David in FL]

@Wornout1iron, Please believe me, I don't mean this in any way disparaging, but like @iacas, I'm curious.  So we can better understand your perspective, can you please tell us how old you are and what your golfing and programming background is?  Thanks.

[jsgolfer]

12 minutes ago, Wornout1iron said:

That is interesting that you feel that. It might be that this appeals to some and not to others. For me it is a matter of whether the majority of golfers like this or not. I don't mind some not liking it or needing it. You may be in the majority and if the market research supports that, then I have my answer. 

By the way, why do musicians care about being top of the charts. From the sales, they know if they have a good song. Why do they need to know their song sold more than another song that is completely different to theirs and targets a different kind of music lover? If what you are saying applied to everyone, there would be no charts and there would be no best-selling book lists because nobody would care. The truth is they do care. People care how well they did, even when it is not comparing like for like. It's a human nature thing. Forbes Rich List: People care passionately about being on that list, so much so that they send personal accounts to Forbes when they disagree with their ranking. And here we are talking about people who are completely different. Some make money by services, some with products, some with investments. Comparable? No way. Do people like to compare anyway. You bet. Just saying... 

Well, then Justin Thomas is a "sandbagger". His scoring average is roughly 69. He shot 10 under his average score. 

He's a professional golfer, they strike the ball solidly, more often than not.  If they get hot with the putter and with their great ball striking, they get the ball closer to the hole, make a few few extra putts and they can go low.  Amateur's do not strike the ball as solidly, so if you're under your handicap by 13 strokes, that should be almost impossible, unless your handicap is high.

So even if you think an amateur could shoot a 59 Net, what does that mean other than it's a great score, so what.

 

[RandallT]

I'd be surprised if you ever got many to post their scores, frankly. There are already tons of metrics available to track progress- official and unofficial. 

Most serious golfers already know where they stand and are happy with however it is they track their scores and measure progress. So that market is mostly closed to you.

For less serious golfers, they mostly don't give a hoot where they rank, and there's no motivation to post a score that will just show them that they have a long way to go. 

My guess is that you'd only get a very small subset of decent golfers who on a whim/novelty want to brag about their top round. Certainly not part of their routine that they would stick to month after month.

Plus fake trollers who try to make a joke of it all. I'd prepare for a bunch of 54 scores to be posted- and righteous indignation if you question their honesty. Human nature (or more aptly: troll nature).

 

[iacas]

At this point, the only person who sees any value in this is the creator.

That should tell you something, @Wornout1iron.

You should post in other areas of the site. Join us as a golfer.

[Wornout1iron]

Thanks very much everyone for the invaluable feedback.

[iacas]

How old are you?

At this point I'll admit it's more of a curiosity, but… I have a number in my head and it's relatively low.

[Pretzel]

For amateur golfers they already have rankings for all players competitive enough to care about where they rank in the world. 

http://www.wagr.com/en/Mens-Ranking.aspx

I personally don't see many other people really caring much about their ranking in the world.