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I was just wondering if Titleist tries its best to meet the demands of the Country Club golfer. I mean all i see in private clubs is titleist titleist and more titleist--and i wonder why this is so. I know that Titleist is geared for the snobby kind of golfer. Thing is i see a lot of the richer people at the local club with titleist head to toe. Why is this soo and why arent people putting some other brand head to toe

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I would say the reason you are seeing so many Titleist at the private "rich" country clubs is because Titleist is considered "popular" in the golfing community. Not to mention most of their clubs are expensive.

Titleist has a lot of clubs and products on the PGA tour so the extremely rich golfers at the country clubs think they can play like them if they get the top-of-the-line Titleist clubs.

Think of it like the Mercedes in cars. They are not necessarily the best cars, but they are perceived as top of the line because of the price and the people that drive them.

Don't get me wrong. I'm definitely not saying everyone that has Titleist clubs gets them because they think they need to have them to fit in. Many have them because they like them and they fit their needs. They do in fact make good clubs.
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^ agreed. that's pretty much what i would say

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Titleist has a reputation of being a "players club", the majority of their equipment is designed for better players and they are popular on the PGA Tour. Therefore they are popular at the clubs, both with better players and those who want to be seen as better players.

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I happen to think that all golf equipment companies have gone way too far with the price tags on their products. $800 for metal on irons? $400 for a single club (driver)?
It's funny if you were to ask them for a discount, they wouldn't give to you, but when a tour player tries a club out and doesn't like it, they simply throw it away or give it away. So if the company doesn't say anything when a tour player throws away they're clubs why should they price the equipment the way they do?
I've actually found a way around it. If you find something you like, wait about 6 months to a year and you'll see the price drop drastically.
I bought a Taylormade 425 R7 driver, new, for $200. Cleveland CG2 irons, new also, for $200.
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Have you seen Callaways prices?

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Don't forget PING. Karsten Solheim was the guy that started all this "price escalation" back in the 60's. He came up with something that looked different than anything out there, and charged A FORTUNE for it. People bought it like hot cakes, figuring "if it costs this much, it must be good". All the other manufactures jumped on the band wagon. I too live on the "trailing edge of technology", and wait a year or two before buying anything thats "new to me". It's just a whole lot cheaper!!


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  TommyD69 said:
Don't forget PING. Karsten Solheim was the guy that started all this "price escalation" back in the 60's. He came up with something that looked different than anything out there, and charged A FORTUNE for it. People bought it like hot cakes, figuring "if it costs this much, it must be good". All the other manufactures jumped on the band wagon. I too live on the "trailing edge of technology", and wait a year or two before buying anything thats "new to me". It's just a whole lot cheaper!!

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There's a common perception that the more you pay for something, the better it is. I know someone who changes drivers every 6 months, claiming he can hit the new one farther and straighter. This never materializes, and I really wish he were right handed so I could upgrade to his cast-off.

Meanwhile, I paid $200 for my irons that are serving me quite well, and my next set will cost me around the same. My driver was about $100 and my wedges in the $50 range.

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If people are going to pay the prices that are on the shelves, then companies are continually going to raise the prices...just a matter of supply and demand :)
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  Shindig said:
There's a common perception that the more you pay for something, the better it is.

How right you are, Shindig. In fact, this very subject was in the news just a few days ago after a study was released by the National Academy of Sciences (US) showed that people who drank wine they thought was expensive

physically enjoyed the wine more than wines they were told were less expensive (even if they weren't). They didn't just perceive the wine was better; the scientist found that if the subject believed the wine cost more it increased blood flow to pleasure receptor areas of the brain which cause actual more intense feelings of enjoyment. ( Here is the actual study from the Proceeding's journal .) The implications, of course, extend beyond just wine. They submit that marketers may find price dropping to be counter-productive in some instances, contrary to common business models, because people will be willing to pay more for the feeling of euphoria that high ticket items physically give. Lower cost items may actually be passed over by someone who would be willing to buy it if it were priced higher! Including golf clubs, one assumes. Although *cough* I am certain I purchased my own clubs solely on the basis of performance. No other reason. Not the coolness factor. Not the snob appeal. Nothing. other. than. pure. pragmatism. I swear!

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it shouldn't matter how much the club costs...its how it feels for you. when i got my first pair of used clubs last year, i got dunlop tour specials. and my 100 dollar adams driver. now i have cobra clubs, but they werent as expensive as, say, the pings were going for. i just liked the fp's. same with balls.

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  r7 425 said:
I was just wondering if Titleist tries its best to meet the demands of the Country Club golfer. I mean all i see in private clubs is titleist titleist and more titleist--and i wonder why this is so. I know that Titleist is geared for the snobby kind of golfer. Thing is i see a lot of the richer people at the local club with titleist head to toe. Why is this soo and why arent people putting some other brand head to toe

The thing is, Titleist clubs are really no more expensive than Callaway, Taylomade or Ping. In fact, those companies all have clubs that are much higher priced than the most expensive Titleist irons.

I agree that they are marketed to the better player and that many people do buy them because it gives the appearance that they are better than they are. However, I can only speak for myself, I bought my irons because when I hit them side by side with the r7 and x20 respectively, they felt better and fit my natural shot shape. I play the 775cb which is as close to a game improvement iron as they have. It is more forgiving than my previous Top Flite Tour irons but still gives me the feedback I want on iron shots. I play the 905 because I loved my two previous Titleist drivers. The 3 wood was because I figured I might as well keep with the Titleist name. My Vokey and Scotty I got on trade with a client for personal training sessions. That is also how I got my first Titleist driver, the 983k. I just upgraded twice. if what you have is good and you like it then the same company comes out with a better club, why not give it a try? By the way, I am not rich and don't belong to a country club. I do own a Titleist hat and 3 Scotty Cameron ones. They were about the same price as the Nike TW hat I have. Well, maybe not the Scotty hats. They were over priced, but too cool to pass up. If I had to pick a company that is "Country Club" I would have said Callaway. When I think of them, I think cigar chomping CEO. No offense to cigar smokers, CEO or Callaway intended. When I think Titleist, I think PGA Tour Pro and elite amateur players. I want to improve my game to the point where people expect me to play Titleist.
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Titleist is known by all as the players' brand. And some of it boils down to hype. THey are able to build up their wedges because they have Bob Vokey, just like Scotty Cameron with putters. Even if the product is slightly better (which I believe it is), they put so much "name power" behind their products that people believe it to be a much freater product than it is.

And also, think about the mass amounts of talented tour players they have or have had over the years (Scott, Watney, Love, Duval in his prime, the list goes on and on...)

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I have all the latest titleist clubs including vokey wedges and three scotty cameron putters , I bought them because they make me look Cool and they distract from my bald head , I'm no tiger woods but I can play o.k. !

I also have a mercedes and porsche 996 twin turbo and I'm rich! so what?
it makes me happy ,and I do it because I can! in typing this short message I just made anothr 5 k ! lol

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  Bowker said:
Not to mention most of their clubs are expensive.

No more expensive - and often times less expensive (particularly than TaylorMade) - than others.

  HarlDane said:
Titleist has a reputation of being a "players club", the majority of their equipment is designed for better players and they are popular on the PGA Tour. Therefore they are popular at the clubs, both with better players and those who want to be seen as better players.

Additionally, wealthier people are often better golfers because they can afford a) the free time it takes to get better, b) the memberships at the better courses, c) the cost of lessons, etc.

You'll find more Mizunos at private clubs than public courses, too, in general.
  Jiogolf said:
I happen to think that all golf equipment companies have gone way too far with the price tags on their products. $800 for metal on irons? $400 for a single club (driver)?

They charge what the market will bear.

  Jiogolf said:
It's funny if you were to ask them for a discount, they wouldn't give to you, but when a tour player tries a club out and doesn't like it, they simply throw it away or give it away. So if the company doesn't say anything when a tour player throws away they're clubs why should they price the equipment the way they do?

Have you graduated from high school yet? If you're indignant about any of the above, here's something that may very well blow your mind: manufacturers often ship us free golf clubs too (by "us" I mean The Sand Trap staff).

Why? Same reason Tour pros get equipment: publicity. It's advertising.
  Jiogolf said:
I've actually found a way around it. If you find something you like, wait about 6 months to a year and you'll see the price drop drastically.

Depends on the brand. Titleist doesn't replace their drivers every 2 weeks like TaylorMade. :)

  Jiogolf said:
Some people say, "well there's always new technology coming out, so why not try it?" My answer: It's not new technology. It's just different asthetics.

You're wrong there, and incredibly cynical. Though aesthetics change frequently, it's nowhere near ALL you're paying for.

  Jeepthrills said:
The thing is, Titleist clubs are really no more expensive than Callaway, Taylomade or Ping. In fact, those companies all have clubs that are much higher priced than the most expensive Titleist irons.

Word.

  Jeepthrills said:
If I had to pick a company that is "Country Club" I would have said Callaway. When I think of them, I think cigar chomping CEO. No offense to cigar smokers, CEO or Callaway intended. When I think Titleist, I think PGA Tour Pro and elite amateur players. I want to improve my game to the point where people expect me to play Titleist.

Interesting that you think that way. Perhaps I'm too far embedded in the industry or something, but I can't narrow down one company to one "concept" even if I try.

If anything, I'd just end up taking the key aspects of the most visible endorsee (Phil for Callaway) and applying his traits to the brand, which may or may not be close to the truth (is Callaway truly filled with ego-maniacal swinging gamblers with a penchant for Haagen-Dazs???).
  Crafty said:
Titleist is known by all as the players' brand. And some of it boils down to hype. THey are able to build up their wedges because they have Bob Vokey, just like Scotty Cameron with putters.

"Hype" is usually earned. If it's not, it doesn't last. Vokey and Cameron and the rest of the Titleist designers have, by now, earned their reputations and I personally believe very little of it to be "hype."

As Dizzy Dean once said, "it ain't braggin' if you can do it." Titleist (Vokey, Cameron) can do it. The "hype" is now simply "reputation." Anyway, to the original question, hellz no: Titleist isn't for "rich" people.

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  iacas said:
If anything, I'd just end up taking the key aspects of the most visible endorsee (Phil for Callaway) and applying his traits to the brand, which may or may not be close to the truth (is Callaway truly filled with ego-maniacal swinging gamblers with a penchant for Haagen-Dazs???).

I am so glad I put my coffee down before I got to this line.

I would have to spend the next hour cleaning out my keyboard. I agree totally about identifying a company with certain players. That is why these guys make as much money as they do. When you name a club company and ask me to say the first thing that comes to mind it would be: Callaway: Phil Nike Golf: Tiger Ping: Putters Cleveland: Unfortunately it was Vijay first then Wedges. Titleist: Quality and performance. The funny thing is I occasionally forget that Ernie Els is with Callaway now. Taylor Made: Drivers and Sergio Mizuno: Performance In general, golf is an expensive sport. If you want the newest and best, you will pay for it, no matter what brand you buy. If you are willing to wait you can get last years technology at about half it's list price when the new stuff comes out. If you want to talk quality, look at the resale prices of used equipment 1-2 years after it's released. How much does a Cameron putter go for in good condition? It will likely be a lot more than most used putters. Some of that is due to the "cult like" following he has. I say this knowing that I have paid over $30 each for three of his hats and I have a Scotty Cameron sticker on the rear window of my truck. Anyway, they are high quality and they last. I don't even spend much time in the putter section of most golf shops I go in. I have no intention of switching putters anytime soon. Same goes with my irons. I spend most of my time looking at drivers, fairway woods and hybrids. That and clothes, because even if your swing sucks, you can always look like a player from the parking lot to the 1st tee.
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