• Announcements

    • iacas

      Create a Signature!   02/05/2016

      Everyone, go here and edit your signature this week: http://thesandtrap.com/settings/signature/.
Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0
fersman4

My Swing (fersman4)

14 posts in this topic

At the advisement of iacas, I took the plunge and signed up for the evolvr.com monthly subscription. I uploaded a couple videos I recorded today to get the ball rolling (pun intended). So I wanted to share a record, a blog so-to-speak, of my progress, in case someone else who visits these forums was interested in the journey and the results.

I'm 33, I've been playing for 14 years. I'm 5'9" and 100 pounds overweight, which is probably causing my back pain, but I'm on a diet and exercise plan, so hopefully that goes away soon. I have had only a handful of in-person instruction sessions with a few different instructors, but it's been at least 8 years since the last one. Other than that I've tried to improve my game piecemeal through putting knowledge (occassional watching the Golf Channel, reading forums, books, and magazines) into practice. Though I'm not really hard-core about all that, I can be seen on the driving range with a video camera from time to time.

My index is 17.4 right now, the highest it's been in 7 years. At this time last year it was at its low of 12.3. I belong to the Men's Club of a nearby public course, where I participate in around 10 group and individual tournaments per year. I don't really win any money, but that's because I don't sandbag ( is he joking? ). I probably play 20 to 25 rounds per year. Here in Colorado, the golf season is only about 6 months long, so in the winter you spend a lot of time doing drills in your livingroom, and only actually playing 1-2 rounds when the snow clears if you're lucky. Needless to say it's easy to get rusty here. Since it's golf season, I'm hoping to get into the habit of either playing or practicing at least twice per week. Would love to do more, but I got a job, wife, and a kid to otherwise occupy my time.

Living in Colorado does have its advantages: playing at 5,000 to 6,000 feet every round makes me feel like The Hulk (estimated distances for decent contact):

Driver: 240-250 yards

3-hybrid: 210 yards

4-hybrid: 200 yards

5-hybrid: 190 yards

6-iron: 180 yards

7-iron: 170 yards

8-iron: 160 yards

9-iron: 150 yards

PW: 140 yards

AW: 120 yards (approach wedge?)

54 degree wedge: 90 yards

60 degree wedge: 70 yards

Notice the lack of a long wood, and the gaps in the wedges. I have yet to find a long wood that I would hit more consistently off the tee box than my driver. As for the wedges, any shot between 95 and 135 yards and I'm screwed. I haven't hit a good AW in over a year, and I don't seem to have any luck hitting my PW or AW at partial strength.

My natural ball-flight is a slight over-the-top fade, often a little heavy, so when I'm on the course or the range I try hard to fight it and hit a draw instead. Unfortunately going against my natural swing produces inconsistent results. Sometimes I hit a beautiful high draw, sometimes I hit a push fade off the toe, and sometimes I just hit it plain fat. As a matter of fact, fat shots infest my pitching game too.

Frankly I believe the greatest room for improvement in my game is shots within 50 yards. I've been keeping detailed stats for years now, and my numbers indicate that just over 50% of my strokes come from within 50 yards, including pitches, chips, and putts. I hit about 35.1 putts per round, and about 19.9 pitches and chips per round. So if I want to shoot lower scores that has to be the best place for me to improve. However my stats also indicate that if I hit the green in regulation, I'm going to get a par over 80% of the time, so I could stand to use some long-game improvement too. And, hey, if I hit more GIRs, that means fewer short game shots per round.

Anyway that's my background. Once I get feedback from the Evolvr folks and work my way toward the Stupid Monkey badge, I'll give another update.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Want to get rid of this advertisement? Sign up (or log in) today! It's free!

I think this is a great idea.  The only thing I would suggest is that you turn this thread into a "myswing" thread, that way not only do you have the journal as well as the video evidence of your journey.  (I'm sure you could get a mod to help you do that if you wanted to)

And I am proof that Evolvr works, by the way.  Long story short, I was somewhere in the 10-12 cap range all my life as a self taught golfer, and then I started with them last summer.  Handicap stayed right around 10 although the swing was definitely improving.  However, since the end of January, I've come down from 9.9 to 6.8 and still dropping!

Good luck!!!

2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards and Achievements

Oh, I've never been to the Member Swings section before. I suppose it does make more sense there, and once I'm ready to give a true evolvr.com testimonial, I can post on that later.

Moderator, please turn this into "My Swing (fersman4)" under "Member Swings".

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I look forward to seeing your progress.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards and Achievements

Well here is what I submitted to Evolvr.com. Feel free to make observations, but I have bought into the Stupid Monkey philosophy, so I intend to focus my practice only on whatever the Evolvr folks come back with.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Originally Posted by fersman4

Well here is what I submitted to Evolvr.com. Feel free to make observations, but I have bought into the Stupid Monkey philosophy, so I intend to focus my practice only on whatever the Evolvr folks come back with.

I have no advice, because I'm no expert, but it seems to me like you have a lot to work with here!  And you are obviously going into it with the right attitude, so I am also looking forward to following along with the progress!

Good luck!!!!!!!!!!

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards and Achievements

Originally Posted by Golfingdad

I have no advice, because I'm no expert, but it seems to me like you have a lot to work with here!  And you are obviously going into it with the right attitude, so I am also looking forward to following along with the progress!

Good luck!!!!!!!!!!

I agree,  I see a lot of potential there and things that they can work with.  I know some of the things that they will work on with you, but if you are going to be a stupid monkey then I had better not say anything.  Just wait for your lesson and work hard on it!  Good luck!

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards and Achievements

I agree with the others. No need in compounding your progress by getting advice or instruction from multiple sources. They'll cover everything you need to do to improve. Good luck.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Got my first Evolvr analysis back. And not surprisingly it's about Key #4, namely correcting my over-the-top move. I'm very pleased with how Stephan Kostelecky described the problem, and provided some visualization for what the correct path is. And the drills he's going to have me do are much "smarter" (for lack of a better word) than what I expected or heard and read before, so I'm excited. I'll give another update after I put in the time and work.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Originally Posted by fersman4

Got my first Evolvr analysis back. And not surprisingly it's about Key #4, namely correcting my over-the-top move. I'm very pleased with how Stephan Kostelecky described the problem, and provided some visualization for what the correct path is. And the drills he's going to have me do are much "smarter" (for lack of a better word) than what I expected or heard and read before, so I'm excited. I'll give another update after I put in the time and work.

Awesome! Have fun with it.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards and Achievements

I've been working off and on throughout the last few days at home without a ball on what Stephan wanted me to work on, and this morning I brought it to the range.

Most of my work on the range was with a slow tempo with the ball teed up a little. Stephan wanted me to hit the balls off to the right of my target using the key points I identified in the video. Early on I found that if I rushed the downswing, I was neglecting to "drop my hands", and the ball would go straight instead of right. I also found it difficult early on to do a proper weight transfer while I was concentrating so hard on what I was supposed to work on. However I made the conscious decision to not care about that, and just keep working on the path (Stupid Monkey?).

The video shows a sample of swings throughout the session. The swings get progressively closer to what I'm supposed to be doing. By the end of the session I felt like I had made some good progress. Being more comfortable with the swing changes the weight transfer came back, and I was dropping my hands better at normal tempo. No doubt the swing still feels a little weird, and I'm not sure I'm getting "inside" enough yet, so I need a lot more repetition with Stephan's drills.

After the last swing in the video I saw a half-bucket of balls that someone left around, so I did more practice off camera without teeing up the ball. Some of them were full swings, great-looking draws that started off right of target. I'm happy to see some progress, even though I know there's tons more work to do. I've got a Men's Club round on Sunday and I don't want to look like a complete duffer.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Here is my latest swing video, composed of "natural" full swings.

My natural full swing is slowly evolving from over-the-top to inside-out. The drills and visuals given to me by the evolvr.com folks seem to be working, but I think I'm only about halfway there. It's certainly easier to do the right things in a slower swing, so I'm still working at slower speeds to improve my muscle memory of the correct swing path.

Oh and Sunday's round wasn't pretty. It's safe to say my swing path was all over the place, and that hurt my consistency, both contact and flight path. Somehow my short game showed up and minimized the damage. Still didn't win anything because I'm not a sandbagger.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Good stuff man. Glad to hear you're putting in the time and effort to improve. The video shows a mixture of good and bad. And your description of Sunday's round is something we've all experienced. But that's usually inevitable with swing changes.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Stephan on evolvr.com analyzed my second video and told me what I expected: that I need to do more inside-out. And he gave me a new visual/drill to help me do it better. He told me to feel like my back faces the target longer during the transition. Makes sense to me! Looking forward to giving it a shot. Also a little worried because I've been striking the ball much better the last couple days. But I gotta keep my mind focused on the long term.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!


Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.


Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0



  • Want to join this community?

    We'd love to have you!

    Sign Up
  • 2016 TST Partners

    GAME Golf
    PING Golf
    Lowest Score Wins
  • Posts

    • Time to upgrade but ball but oh man!?
      You'll eventually want to plat a urethane ball.
    • My Swing (jbishop15)
      I see a lot of G-Mac in that swing! G-Mac has the same grip and also a shut face, maybe not as shut as you and DJ. If you would allow me to give my input. From what I can see you are the Tiger Woods of the backswing, no matter what you do or try to do you end up in a great position. I saw your first post and you were very inside going back, now you seem to be too outside. I'll leave the backswing to the others, my advice is to find somwhere between now and then. Since you're great at the top, try to find the most efficient path to the top, have your shoulders move from setup to top of backswing position in one smooth motion, without standing up on the way back. If you find the most efficient path with the arms you will find it somewhere in the middle, not too much in, not too much out, remember the swing is an arch, not straight lines, it's okay to get a little curvy with it. That's the best way I can explain in laymans terms. The reason you want to be efficient is to lessen the time of the swing. Most pros get the ball in the air in the time you take to get to the top. This is very common. The less time you take, the more repeatable it will be. Try to lay three balls next to each other, and rapid fire them. Do this a few times. Then hit one ball pretending you have to rapid fire three, but stop after one. This is a great drill. All this should help your backswing in no time!   Now I'm going to write what I think is a basic issue in your swing, which again has a lot of great positions in it. I strongly advise you work on the backswing first until you are so ewhat used to it (2 weeks) and then go onto this next part. You can have this next part in the back of your mind, allowing your body to toy with it without thought as you work on the backswing. Do yourself a big favor and DO NOT work on both at the same time. Remember the body learns better if it understands in the mind first, and then works on its own a bit, instead of trying to force feed new motions. From my experience the backswing part and this next part will take you a few months each to feel comfortable, but you will see the impacts very quickly. I think you will find solid contact if you choose to follow my advice.  Here is the next part: Your arms are swinging somewhat opposite of the direction of your body. This is a weight transfer issue. Golf instructors and books will have different opinions on how much weight you shoud have on your back foot on the backswing, some say 60% others say as much as 80%, some say 100%. I agree with the notion that you should have as much weight back as you can, without involving extra effort to go forward, like a rocking chair, it should be a load and release, not a pull and a push. In your swing your body is rocking back, but then it is leaning towards the target slightly, not much. The problem is your arms are swinging away from your body, completely on their own, there is little connection to the movement of the body. Then on the forward swing, your body begins falling back, and the arms begin swinging forward. Since you have the club face very shut, the body must also fall back to allow the club face time to square up, barring an insane hip turn. The result is at impact you are angled too much upward, the hands are pointing up and to the right, causing a high push, and more importantly adding loft to the club. This results in difficulty controlling distance, and shots that are weaker and higher than they can potentially be, given your natural power. So the fix here is to get the body and arms working more together. The first step is get that club face just a little less closed, maybe 5-10 degrees less, so that you don't have to strain yourself while not falling back. To do this just strenghten your left hand grip slighty, and try not to bow the left wrist as severely at the top. This is easier said than done, but once your clubface is more square/closed than closed/closed, it will allow some room for the body motion adjustment. The final step is getting the body to move forward with the arms, so you aren't falling back. You should notice a straighter left leg happening with this. There will be a lot less upper body tilt, and you will stay on top of your hips more. The hands forward part will have to wait until the body isn't falling back so severely, because part of the hands going forward is the body going left. You won't have a hard time with this because you already lag the club well. The best way you can get the body going in sequence going back and forward is to imagine throwing the club back as far as you can, and throwing the club forward as far as you can. If you have a lot of property and old clubs you can actually do this. The throwing the club forward part is practiced into nets by students frequently. The throwing back is important too. An impact bag will help as well. Remember if you wanted to throw a club far you would naturally put your weight into it, not against it, which is why the drill is so helpful. The only difference between throwing a club and the golf swing is two things. One you have to hold onto the club, for many reasons. Two* to get consistent contact you can't move laterally much off the ball. You want to feel as if you and the club are being pulled as hard as you can, without moving more than two or three inches off the ball, that is the real challenge. It's not easy to focus so much force while staying still, which is why the opposite weight transfer is a go to move for many golfers. Whatever it is, you must still use the same concepts as if you are throwing a club back and throwing a club upward, that is the best way for your mind and body will both understand where the ball is supposed to go. The last thing I will add is that when you imagine throwing the club, it does not have to be a straight line. The backswing throw should be up and behind you a bit, and the forward throw of course would be up and to your left a bit, since the swing is on an arch.  Hope you take this with you. :D
    • Irons, Irons, Irons!
      I agree on the lessons.  Learn to hit what you have now.  Once you understand the game a little better, you'll know what irons are best for you.
    • PGA Tour Caddies file class-action suit against PGA Tour for use of likeness, bibs
      "I like my chances at milking this case for an even greater amount of money, garnering me even more free publicity when it's discussed by the media! I will strongly advise my clients to write me another check." But seriously, if he's not surprised by the ruling why on earth would he like their chances to appeal the decision? If that was the expected outcome, what factors would make it more likely that they do well in an appellate court?
    • Different swing for Driver and Irons
      If that's the only difference I would say they have a lot more the same than not. Are the swings a golfer makes with a 5I and a 7I "the same"?
  • TST Blog Entries

  • Images

  • Today's Birthdays

  • Blog Entries