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I don't want to hear how Stricker and Westwood were down and out and made remarkable come backs...they did not have anything close to the personal issues as Woods does, and their fall from grace was nothing by comparision. I think now is a good time to get off of his jock and start to give our attention to all the great young talent the PGA is experiencing today. It's the best young crop of golfers I've seen in my 31 years...

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Give Tiger some time to at least attempt to get his game back. Since he's been injured he hasn't been golfing or practicing.

Let's see how hard he works in the offseason and how he plays next year before we decide to cast him off for good :).

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There are a lot of good upcoming stars, and they warrant a lot of attention. But Tiger's slump is barely two full years old. Give it another two years, see where he is, then pass judgement. If he dominated for 10 - 12, don't write him out so quickly. It doesn't look good for him, but that's different than "he's definitely out". You're talking about potentially the best golfer ever here, give him sufficient time to rebound.

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Impossible to make that call. Has played crap for the last year, apart from a few good rounds ( Masters etc )

He has a few months off ( maybe ). I think we'll get a good glimpse of where he's at come November in Australia.

I'm leaning towards mediocrity for the rest of his career.

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Tiger needs the hunger to really dominate and win again. He's all but lost that short game that he used to just dominate with; felt like he traded it off for a new swing which just isn't working for him.

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He's lost...lost his swing, lost his drive, lost his family, lost confidence.

Stick a fork in him (and stop wearing your red polos to on Sundays). Also, if you do attend a PGA event in person, it's not cool to wear your golf shoes.

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Didn't Tiger have a share of the lead on Sunday at the Masters earlier this year?  And he didn't have hit "A" game that week either.

Now he comes off a long stretch of not playing/practicing and plays a couple of poor tournaments and the call of "Tiger is done" is being made.

Good grief people..........

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I personally think TIger is FAR from done.  Look at the history of his past swing/coach changes.   He now has plenty of time and is healthy enough to get in some quality practice time in.  I say next season, Tiger gets back to form.  I personally think it is very silly to say that Tiger is done.

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Originally Posted by TN94z

I personally think TIger is FAR from done.  Look at the history of his past swing/coach changes.   He now has plenty of time and is healthy enough to get in some quality practice time in.  I say next season, Tiger gets back to form.  I personally think it is very silly to say that Tiger is done.



It goes beyond his health and his swing troubles...we have to factor in his personal life, and the distraction he is going to have trying to not lose his children. There is just too much to overcome. Can he put together a few good performances in Majors...maybe, but he's gettnig older too, and these young guns have no more fear.

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9.5 Degree Taylormade Burner Superfast Adilla Voodoo shaft
3 Wood: Cleveland Launcher 15 degree Adilla Voodoo shaft
Irons 3-SW: Callaway X-14 Steelhead

Lob wedge: Cleveland 60 degree

Putter: Ping Anser Karsten

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I don't see what the hub bub is all about with Tiger.. Really!  There have been many pro golfers in the past and current that have dealt with FAR MORE serious issues and distractions then Tiger has, yet no one gives them any excuses, or even talks about it..  For example:  Tiger's distractions are a walk in the part compared to what Phil has and is going thru.. Then we look at what Hogan did and suffered thru, and take a look at his record that equally suffered due to WW II..    Tiger is having typical issues common in pro sports.. Personally I don't care for the "media's pet" attention Tiger gets 24/7..  There is a lot of talent out there, which this PGA Champ just showed, lets give them the spotlight they deserve :)

I find it hypocritical that the press made an issue that Steve W. didn't give Adam Scott more attention and credit for winning the Bridgestone.. Yes, Steve was excited at the moment and made some impulsive comments.. HOWEVER, the media has constantly given Tiger attention when others are more deserving.. ??????  All day Thurs and Friday that is all I heard from the media.. Lets move on, and lets promote golf, not Tiger..  Tiger is NOT golf,,  The golf industry is suffering from some serious issues, Tiger isn't the answer..

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I think Foley's going to destroy what was left of the Tiger we once new.   Nothing Tiger is saying any more makes any sense.   He says "I'm getting better compression on the ball now".   Isn't this the same guy that hit a 4 iron a bajillion yards out of a bunker to about 10 feet.   WTF does he need more compression for?  The guy used to be one of the best iron players on the planet and his swing "coaches" are destroying the natural ability he had.  I'll give the Foley experiment another 6 months then hopefully Tiger will come to his senses.

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He is 35. He has 5-7 years of his prime left. Thats a lot of time to get your life back in order and to find your swing. Lets see what Tiger looks like if he can stay healthy for 6 months. Then if he  is still sucking the big one then talk about him being done.

Originally Posted by muggs

It goes beyond his health and his swing troubles...we have to factor in his personal life, and the distraction he is going to have trying to not lose his children. There is just too much to overcome. Can he put together a few good performances in Majors...maybe, but he's gettnig older too, and these young guns have no more fear.



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Originally Posted by muggs

It goes beyond his health and his swing troubles...we have to factor in his personal life, and the distraction he is going to have trying to not lose his children. There is just too much to overcome. Can he put together a few good performances in Majors...maybe, but he's gettnig older too, and these young guns have no more fear.


How can you factor in his personal life?  No one knows anything about his personal life.  As far as we know, he may get to see his kids more than we think.  His children are going to live with their mother....no doubt about that.  And I am sure that he knew that going in. Sure it's not what he wants, but people are on limited visitation with their children more common than not nowadays. I don't think that will be as a big a distraction as many think. I mean the guy just finished a 55 million dollar mansion with his own golf course....I don't see him giving in to this "getting older" way of life.  Look at Steve Stricker.  What is he 44...45 years old?  And he is number 3 or 4 in the WORLD!  Age is just a number....you are only as old as your body tells you you are.  The younger kids are more "fearless."  And it shows...in their wins, and mostly in their losses.  If Tiger can hit the ball 280 yards, put it in the fairway, hit his shots within 10 feet, and get his putting in order.....the "fearless" aspect doesn't mean a lot.  Fearless or not, it's all about getting the ball in the hole in the fewest strokes.  Of course this is all just my opinion, but to suddenly count out one of the greatest golfers of all time at the YOUNG age of 35....is just a lost bet waiting to happen

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I honestly felt like if he hadn't hurt his leg at the masters that he would have come back with a vengeance this summer. The front 9 Sunday at the Masters was some good Tiger golf. He was really just starting to hit the ball good again at the Masters and then had to deal with the leg. I think it will take another few months for him to get to hitting the ball really really good again. As long as he doesn't have any stupid interruptions with health or family again I can't imagine he won't start hitting the ball really good again. I do feel like he has lost a lot of confidence in himself and his game, but all he needs is a few wins to get that back I think.

Hes not that old, if anyone could extend their prime years of golf well into their 40s, it would probably be him. If you ask me he still breaks Jacks record easy.

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Originally Posted by ThominOH

. Lets move on, and lets promote golf, not Tiger..  Tiger is NOT golf,,  The golf industry is suffering from some serious issues, Tiger isn't the answer..



This is where you go wrong.  As far as the PGA Tour goes, Tiger IS golf. People watch golf when Tiger is in contention. They don't watch when Tiger isn't around. The final round of the PGA got the same ratings as the 1st round of the NFL draft.  The same rating as names getting called! If it weren't for Tiger, Bradley wouldn't have taken home a check for $1.4 million yesterday.  Without Tiger, Jason Dufner doesn't have $7.1 million in tour winnings without ever stepping foot in the winners circle.

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Originally Posted by muggs

It goes beyond his health and his swing troubles...we have to factor in his personal life, and the distraction he is going to have trying to not lose his children. There is just too much to overcome. Can he put together a few good performances in Majors...maybe, but he's gettnig older too, and these young guns have no more fear.

Tiger is not the only professional golfer to get divorced and deal with shared custody. This is already agreed upon between he and Elin. Tom Watson, Faldo and others have had marital issues without derailing their careers.

It's just wrong to say he's done. None of us can know what will happen except we do know that Woods is by far the most talented golfer since Nicklaus. He's also had 3 top 5's in his last 6 majors. Why would you write someone off who had done that with 14 majors under his belt already and who has hardly swung a club in the last 3 months?

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