releasing the club......confused

no rolling the wrists is not going to help you hit the draw you want.  You want an inside out swing with a open face to target but, closed to path to hit a draw.   Rolling the wrists with an inside out swing you would be hitting big pull draws and snap hooks.

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Thanks Poser,....i appreciate the method i used to attempt a draw wasnt quite there,......but it bemused me that i hit it straight whilst trying to roll my forearms through the shot,...

So forgetting the draw aspect of my story,.....its lead me to "think" that perhaps ive been holding on through impact and not releasing properly,...leaving me with an open clubface

I imagine that if i took the same principle that i used to hit that straight shot, and i set-up properly for a draw, I might actually get a draw?

Its just a thought,...im not necesarily going out to hit a draw, but understand why i hit some of the shots i do,...fromt he videos i watched on youtube last night it would seem that the "holding on" through impact and not releasing the club could very well be the reason for my big fades,...

and rolling through impact isnt necessarily a big or weird manipulation im doing but im actually releasing the club properly for a change

I just wanted to see if that rang true with anyone on here

Release is the gradual turning of the club from hip height on your downswing through your swing to hip height on the far side of impact.

Don't get me wrong there are players who play with a full roll release it just takes alot of timing to make it work.  I play with a guy in his mid 60s who full rolls and he was and still is a great player.  He also suffers from hooks and his fade is about a 5 yard draw.  His ball flight is always working across his target line also and he hits pull hooks which is the worst shot in golf in my opinion.  His recovery and short game shots are some of the best I have ever seen though. I think if you got your path more to the inside you could play with the face being open and you would start hitting more dependable push draws.

VIdeo shows the three types of releases.

if you consistently hit good shots, go with it.

to much swing thoughts often makes it worse.

yes, it might be your weightshift, release or such wasnt done enough.

ballimpact and ballflight are my criteria.

thanks guys

Going to use a range session to continue with this "rolling release" thought and see where it goes from there, i guess if i begin to hook the ball i can work backwards

i would bet a decent amount of money that i think im rolling through the release loads, but im actually not,...video of my swing has before proved the difference between what i think it happening and what is actually happening

welcome to golf.

that is why many times people who asks for advice seldom know the difference between real and percived..

though to give advice due to feel isnt seen.

had an epiphany last night that sort of rings true with my thoughts,....

Prior to my latest videoed lesson I had gradually strengthened my grip to try and avoid the slice,....but actually ended up hooding the club through impact, so I was holding off the release (as per pros comment when watching high speed video)

So i wonder now that I am using a more nuetral grip, if im still holding off and coming through impact with an open clubface because ive not engrained the new grip/clubface correlation into the subconcious yet

How do you increase rate of closure without being all handsy?

I fight this big time with my longer clubs.  My FAR too frequent miss with those clubs, especially recently, is a push fade with a dead straight divot and a club face that never gets closed.  I've had some days where I don't roll the wrists but consciously push the club at the very bottom with my right hand to close the face, and have been extremely successful with that some days, but as others said above it's hard to control and I've had some awful days where I gave up on it quickly as well.

i dont know MDL to be honest,....When i was hitting straight shots as per my first post i didnt feel like the hands did anything different, i felt like the forearms where rotating over more than anything

yeah my big miss is a push fade of varying catastrophy,......

I really am starting to believe know the action i employed the other day wasnt "handsy, nor totiming based" but it was simply releasing the club properly,....it just felt weird and handsy because i havent/rarely done it before

I practice swing at home without a ball alot working on my takeaway, swing plane, and top position as they all kill me if i dont keep it engrained,.

and i noticed that if i swung as a normally do and stopped about 2ft after "impact" the clubface was still facing the sky,.........but when i try to rotate through the swing the clubhead is a few degrees closed,....

I really need to range session this to be sure but i think i may of stumbled on the root of my evils

Yeah I'm not sure whether what I'm doing to fix it is too handsy or if I just have never had a proper release and am now so used to coming through with an open club face that it feels forced and handsy to get a proper release and get the club face square.  I've been having some success swinging slower and thinking about throwing the club face along the arc I want, which has to led to a slightly more natural feeling way of getting the club face closed, but it's still very inconsistent, leading to a lot of pull-hooks.

I've also found in the past couple days working on this that if I concentrate on standing up through impact (not losing my spine angle, but extending my legs into impact) that seems to help as well.  Not sure what to concentrate on though.  Time to get another lesson I suppose!