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I don't know why I put up with this stuff...

Valleygolfer

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My regular knucklehead playing partner has been commenting to me (after handicap lowering rounds) about how these scores are not good because they will affect the scoring for our team in the hokey league we play in on Monday nights. He tries to suggest ways of avoiding posting scores because we need the higher handicap to place better. I keep telling him that I am not playing golf to win the league and have no interest in "strategically" posting my rounds to avoid getting strokes. He is a nice guy and hardly a cheater but this damn league thing is consuming him. Personally it is just an excuse to play "fun" golf and have a few beers with the team for me. I just don't get it. I refuse to compete seriously in handicap based competitions so my handicap is only for me.



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9 minutes ago, David in FL said:

I'm going to gently disagree.  He's a cheater. 

I have to agree, at least about his intent.  I might suggest to him that choosing which scores to post is choosing to manipulate your handicap.  Intentional handicap manipulation is the definition of sandbagging, and sandbagging is cheating.  "Do you want me to cheat?"

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6 minutes ago, David in FL said:

I'm going to gently disagree.  He's a cheater.  

 

and I will gently agree with you...

3 minutes ago, DaveP043 said:

I have to agree, at least about his intent.  I might suggest to him that choosing which scores to post is choosing to manipulate your handicap.  Intentional handicap manipulation is the definition of sandbagging, and sandbagging is cheating.  "Do you want me to cheat?"

I did say that...I am pretty rough on him when he is being a dumbass.

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28 minutes ago, Valleygolfer said:

I did say that...I am pretty rough on him when he is being a dumbass.

We all need friends who will tell us when we're acting stupid, you did him a favor.  

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28 minutes ago, Valleygolfer said:

and I will gently agree with you...

I did say that...I am pretty rough on him when he is being a dumbass.

It's always interesting, and sometimes disappointing, where some people who we genuinely know to be honest, decide to step across the line.

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2 minutes ago, DaveP043 said:

We all need friends who will tell us when we're acting stupid, you did him a favor.  

Unfortunately he doesn't necessarily listen

2 minutes ago, David in FL said:

It's always interesting, and sometimes disappointing, where some people who we genuinely know to be honest, decide to step across the line.

Yea I don't know what he is thinking. Wishful thinking? Dumb.

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I think David may be right, although (and this may be a generous interpretation) I hope your teammate doesn't intend to cheat (I'm not confident that I'd be right saying that though).  My suggested response would be not about the fun, but about how the handicaps are meant to give us a level playing field to compete on, and isn't that what we all want?  Team sports are dreadfully boring to play when it's mismatched like that -- ever play basketball or football or even tennis (singles or doubles) against someone of vastly different skill level?  It sucks, even if you're the much better player. 

At least, that's how I'd approach it.  I stopped playing with someone a few years ago who, among other things, "strategically" changed his scores.  He'd take mulligans and then if his resulting score was good, would correct it to S+D, and if his round wasn't going to drop his handicap, he'd leave it.  He was cheating on purpose.

I love it when my handicap drops, even if it's right before a net competition.  Gives me a stronger bar to aim for with my play because I do want to win, but I want to win the right way.

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Sorry, but your friend's a tool. I'm sure if he was playing well only to find another "10hcp" shot a 69 and beat him he'd have quite a bit to say about him. And your friend needs to realize, he's THAT guy. 

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8 minutes ago, Vinsk said:

Sorry, but your friend's a tool. I'm sure if he was playing well only to find another "10hcp" shot a 69 and beat him he'd have quite a bit to say about him. And your friend needs to realize, he's THAT guy. 

He is a tool but we are more like playing acquaintances. I'm not sure what his obsession is with this league is but I don't get this part because he's a stickler for rules otherwise.  Generally he drives me crazy with incessant yacking about stuff...

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23 minutes ago, Valleygolfer said:

He is a tool but we are more like playing acquaintances. I'm not sure what his obsession is with this league is but I don't get this part because he's a stickler for rules otherwise.  Generally he drives me crazy with incessant yacking about stuff...

lol. yeah I don't get that stuff either. I feel like it would be if I pretended to be a lesser stable or belt in fight to secure a win...can't imagine feeling any pride about that win. Applies to any competition I guess. As I've said before, I'd much rather shoot the best round of my life and finish dead last than to hack around the ball, get lucky and win. Certainly wouldn't feel any satisfaction winning if I knew I didn't truly earn it.

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