Can I Re-Tee?

[Garth]

On a par 3 over water my tee shot ended up in water. Can I re-tee (hitting my 3rd) or must I hit from the deck? 

[DaveP043]

1 minute ago, Garth said:

On a par 3 over water my tee shot ended up in water. Can I re-tee (hitting my 3rd) or must I hit from the deck? 

Any time you are playing from the teeing area you may tee the ball up.  This is in Rule 6.2.

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[Garth]

When I look at rule 6.2 I do not see an express statement that says you can re-tee to hit your 3rd. I had done this and was “corrected” by a buddy saying I had to drop ( no tee) anywhere on a line between the tee box and where it crossed into the water.  I get that I could walk up to the waters edge (20 yards in front of the tee box), drop and hit from there. I just want clarification that another option would be to re-tee and hit again( my 3rd) from the same spot I hit the 1st.

[DaveP043]

Are you looking at the full rules, or the Players Edition?  Its pretty clear in the full rules, but not so explicit in the players edition..  I'll post a couple of quotes in the morning if you haven't found it by then.

[iacas]

@Garth you can almost always take stroke and distance. You don’t have to go back on a line.

(Also that line is from where it last crossed and the hole. Not the tee.)

[Missouri Swede]

28 minutes ago, DaveP043 said:

Are you looking at the full rules, or the Players Edition?  Its pretty clear in the full rules, but not so explicit in the players edition..  I'll post a couple of quotes in the morning if you haven't found it by then.

14.6a also says it explicitly in the player’s edition.

[DaveP043]

10 hours ago, Garth said:

I had done this and was “corrected” by a buddy saying I had to drop ( no tee) anywhere on a line between the tee box and where it crossed into the water.

@Missouri Swede has provided one really clear reference allowing you to tee the ball up.  The full rules in 6.2 tell you that ANY TIME you are playing from the teeing area, you may tee the ball.  This includes the first shot on a hole, any time a rule has you playing from the teeing area (including stroke and distance relief from a Penalty Area), or when your ball in play comes to rest in the teeing area.  If you tee off, hit a tree, and the ball comes back to the teeing area, you can pick it up and put it on a tee.

But the underlined bit is also not accurate.  You should look at Diagram 1 in 17.1d to understand your options for a ball in a Penalty Area.:

https://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/rules/rules-2019/rules-of-golf/rules-and-interpretations.html#!ruletype=pe&section=rule&rulenum=17

 

[ChetlovesMer]

10 hours ago, iacas said:

(Also that line is from where it last crossed and the hole. Not the tee.)

In my experience this is one of the least followed rules by weekend players. For what ever reason almost everyone I see playing (with some exceptions obviously) get this rule wrong. They do the from where it crossed to where they hit it from. Not sure why because it's not that hard to understand. 

[Garth]

What I can’t seem to find in any of these references is explicit language that says you can “re-tee”. Most everything states you can take stroke and distance and “drop” as near to where the previous shot was taken. The “drop” verbiage” and “play the ball as it lies” confound it for me. 

[DaveP043]

1 minute ago, Garth said:

What I can’t seem to find in any of these references is explicit language that says you can “re-tee”. Most everything states you can take stroke and distance and “drop” as near to where the previous shot was taken. The “drop” verbiage” and “play the ball as it lies” confound it for me. 

Rules 6.2a says:

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a. When Teeing Area Rules Apply
The teeing area Rules in Rule 6.2b apply whenever a player is required or allowed to play a ball from the teeing area. This includes when:

The player is starting play of the hole (see Rule 6.1),

The player will play again from the teeing area under a Rule (see Rule 14.6), or

The player’s ball is in play in the teeing area after a stroke or after the player has taken relief.

So you're going to take stroke-and-distance relief from the Penalty Area, the underlined bit applies  Rule 6.2b(2) says:

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(2) Ball May Be Teed or Played from Ground.

The ball must be played from either:
A tee placed in or on the ground, or

The ground itself.

Rule 14.6 says:

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This Rule applies whenever a player is required or allowed under the Rules to make the next stroke from where a previous stroke was made (that is, when taking stroke-and-distance relief, or playing again after a stroke that is cancelled or otherwise does not count).

a. Previous Stroke Made from Teeing Area
The original ball or another ball must be played from anywhere inside the teeing area (and may be teed) under Rule 6.2b.

Does that make it clearer?

[Club Rat]

1 hour ago, Garth said:

What I can’t seem to find in any of these references is explicit language that says you can “re-tee”.

Maybe this will clarify it - Rule 6.6

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(6) When Ball in Play Lies in Teeing Area. If the player’s ball in play is in the teeing area after a stroke (such as a teed ball after a stroke that missed the ball) or after taking relief, the player may:

• Lift or move the ball without penalty (see Rule 9.4b, Exception 1), and

• Play that ball or another ball from anywhere in the teeing area from a tee or the ground under (2), including playing the ball as it lies.

Penalty for Playing Ball from a Wrong Place in Breach of Rule 6.2b(6): General Penalty Under Rule 14.7a.

If multiple Rule breaches result from a single act or related acts, see Rule 1.3c(4).

 

[Garth]

Thanks. Is the part stating “play that ball or another ball....from a tee....”from rule 9.4b?

[DaveP043]

4 minutes ago, Garth said:

Thanks. Is the part stating “play that ball or another ball....from a tee....”from rule 9.4b?

In this case, you haven't lifted or moved a ball in play.  Your original ball is in the lake.  You are going to put another ball into play under Rule 17 for Penalty Areas.  One of the options shown in the diagram there is Stroke-and-Distance, which refers you to 14.6.  14.6 tells you that if your original stroke was made from the Teeing Area, you may play from anywhere within the teeing area, and that you may tee the ball up.  Rule 9 really doesn't apply, you haven't lifted or moved a ball in play.

[Garth]

Got it... 6.2b!

sorry for my struggles finding this. The guy that brought me into this game is the one who recently told me that my re-teeing was illegal and I would need to hit again... but not off of a tee... from a drop. 
thanks again to all who weighed in on this! 

[DaveP043]

7 minutes ago, Garth said:

Got it... 6.2b!

sorry for my struggles finding this. The guy that brought me into this game is the one who recently told me that my re-teeing was illegal and I would need to hit again... but not off of a tee... from a drop. 
thanks again to all who weighed in on this! 

This is how pretty much all of us learned, by having a situation, and researching how the rules handle it.  This one is a little more interesting because some of the rules regarding teeing areas changed in the 2019 edition.  This particular application, taking stroke and distance relief, didn't change, though.

[Garth]

Thanks again! Now when/if faced with this situation again...I will now proceed with confidence.... and have a specific rule to reference if questioned!

[DaveP043]

33 minutes ago, Garth said:

Thanks again! Now when/if faced with this situation again...I will now proceed with confidence.... and have a specific rule to reference if questioned!

Get the Rules app for your smart phone, you can look them up while you're playing

 

[Sandy Lie]

Here’s a good example.  He re-teed.