NCAA Football 2023

[vasaribm]

Having the best offensive line in the country could account for an extra touchdown per game.  An offensive line supplemented largely by the transfer portal, does the subject rankings include transfer players?

So defensively we're talking 5 points, which happens to coincide with changes in defensive coordinator.

[ChetlovesMer]

Just now, vasaribm said:

Having the best offensive line in the country could account for an extra touchdown per game.  An offensive line supplemented largely by the transfer portal, does the subject rankings include transfer players?

So defensively we're talking 5 points, which happens to coincide with changes in defensive coordinator.

OR.... They could be cheating... 

[StuM]

1 hour ago, saevel25 said:

For people who say it is not that much of an advantage. This could be coincidental. BUT... 

247Sports Recruiting Rankings since 2016 thru 2020 - 8th, 4th, 22nd, 8th, 10th. (Average 10th)

Rankings from 2021 thru 2023 - 13th, 9th, 17th. (Average 13th). 

UM suddenly got a nearly 12-point differential improvement. It could be possible the advanced scouting didn't have an impact. 

I may be confused but the “Before W-L” seems wrong.  No way they played 93 games in 5 seasons.

[iacas]

1 hour ago, vasaribm said:

Having the best offensive line in the country could account for an extra touchdown per game.  An offensive line supplemented largely by the transfer portal, does the subject rankings include transfer players?

So defensively we're talking 5 points, which happens to coincide with changes in defensive coordinator.

A better offense also keeps the defense off the field more, so a reduction in scoring from opponents can also be (partially) attributed to a better offense. Time of possession, shortly, too.

[saevel25]

28 minutes ago, StuM said:

I may be confused but the “Before W-L” seems wrong.  No way they played 93 games in 5 seasons.

2015 thru 2021 would account for the 69-24. 

2022 and this season would account for 22-1. 

1 hour ago, vasaribm said:

Having the best offensive line in the country could account for an extra touchdown per game.  An offensive line supplemented largely by the transfer portal, does the subject rankings include transfer players?

So defensively we're talking 5 points, which happens to coincide with changes in defensive coordinator.

247sports does a composite team ranking after transfers are considered. UM has been pretty good at it, enhancing their final rankings. 

Their 2022 season would be supported by the following rankings- 8th, 10th, 13th. Starters are made up of primarily 2nd, 3rd and 4th year starters. I did not include freshman because you may get one guy who has an impact. Their 2019 season would be supported by the following rankings - 8th, 5th,10th.

2022 they went 13-1, and 2019 they want 9-4. 

 

[StuM]

2 hours ago, saevel25 said:

2015 thru 2021 would account for the 69-24. 

2022 and this season would account for 22-1. 

The post refereneced stats for 2016 so I did not realize it went back to 2015.

Even 2015 - 2021 is 61-24 per my Wikipedia research.  

2015: 10-3

2016: 10-3

2017: 8-5

2018: 10-3

2019: 9-4

2020: 2-4

2021: 12-2

2022: 13-1

2023: 9-0 (as of 11/9/23)

Also, One report stated Stallions bought tickets to games over the past 3 years which would include the 2021 season.  I do see that he was "hired" in 2022, so was he doing a "Side Job" before he got hired?

 

[saevel25]

50 minutes ago, StuM said:

Also, One report stated Stallions bought tickets to games over the past 3 years which would include the 2021 season.  I do see that he was "hired" in 2022, so was he doing a "Side Job" before he got hired?

So, that is an interesting point. 

Did he start this on his own accord. Then maybe he got promoted/hired because of what he was doing? 

Yea, I think the image should have backed it off a year. So, 2015 to 2019: 56-18. Let's dump 2020 because of the COVID season. 2021 thru Present: 34-3. 

 

[StuM]

25 minutes ago, saevel25 said:

Did he start this on his own accord. Then maybe he got promoted/hired because of what he was doing? 

That is possible, and just to give a benefit of a doubt, maybe he did this all on his own to “earn” the job and Harbaugh never knew.  Still, I do not see how he could have financed this on his salary.  I would love to see the money trail. 

[klineka]

1 hour ago, StuM said:

Also, One report stated Stallions bought tickets to games over the past 3 years which would include the 2021 season.  I do see that he was "hired" in 2022, so was he doing a "Side Job" before he got hired?

An unpaid side gig, yes, per his now deleted LinkedIn page.

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He was stationed at a military base in California from 2015-22, while at the same time serving as a voluntary assistant for Michigan, he wrote. He flew back and forth across the country during football season with his own money to assist the defensive coaching staff, according to ESPN

 

[klineka]

 

Edited November 10, 2023 by klineka

[saevel25]

UM's denial scheme has not worked. 

 

 

Edited November 10, 2023 by saevel25

[Beastie]

US college football has such a terrible history of corrupt and criminal behaviour that the UM spying scandal is child’s play really. Too many sticky fingers in too many pies. 

Edited November 10, 2023 by Beastie

[StuM]

In the below particle it states that:

“It is legal under NCAA rules to steal an opponent’s signs. It is against the rules to “in-person scout.” Coaches routinely decipher signs via television broadcast, coaching film and even in-game. They also routinely “share” their findings with other coaches who are about to play a certain team.”

not sure who is saying they routinely share with other coaches but if true that it negates the info shared with Purdue.

Big Ten suspends Jim Harbaugh 3 games for Michigan's alleged sign-stealing scheme

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The punishment is in response to Michigan staff member Connor Stalions allegedly running an...

 

[vasaribm]

So the Big 10 levies punishment for breaking rules by potentially breaking their own rules.  The handbook seems to state that the NCAA investigation needs to finish first before additional punishment from the conference.
 

From the Big 10 handbook:

32.2.2(C) NCAA Initiated Cases. The Compliance and Reinstatement Subcommittee shall review violations by member universities as determined by the NCAA and may impose penalties in addition to those imposed by the NCAA for any violations.

1. Where the NCAA initiates a preliminary or official inquiry with a member university the Conference will cooperate with university and NCAA representatives in the processing of that case through the normal NCAA investigation, hearing and appeal processes.

2. While the case will be processed through normal NCAA channels, the Conference Compliance and Reinstatement Subcommittee shall review the case and may impose additional penalties, if warranted, subsequent to the NCAA action.

 

[StuM]

32 minutes ago, vasaribm said:

2. While the case will be processed through normal NCAA channels, the Conference Compliance and Reinstatement Subcommittee shall review the case and may impose additional penalties, if warranted, subsequent to the NCAA action.

On the surface that seems to be the case, but often there are multiple clauses that impact each other in various situations or they may be a clause “at discretion of” and similar. I would be interested to see the Big 10’s counter argument.

[iacas]

1 hour ago, vasaribm said:

So the Big 10 levies punishment for breaking rules by potentially breaking their own rules.  The handbook seems to state that the NCAA investigation needs to finish first before additional punishment from the conference.

What if the Big 10 started investigating before the NCAA (i.e. the NCAA didn't initiate it)?

[vasaribm]

On 11/10/2023 at 10:09 PM, iacas said:

What if the Big 10 started investigating before the NCAA (i.e. the NCAA didn't initiate it)?

Based on the timeline provided in the letter given to Michigan Friday, the NCAA notified the conference.  The letter makes no mention that the conference had a separate investigation or that the conference had asked the NCAA to investigate.  Events detailed after the call on Oct. 18th by the conference are reactionary to receiving information from the NCAA.

A. The NCAA’s Initial Call to the University and the Conference About the Scheme On October 18, the President of the National Collegiate Athletic Association (the “NCAA”), Charlie Baker, scheduled a call with me, other senior leadership from the Conference, and senior leadership from the University. During that call, the NCAA disclosed to both the Conference and the University that it had received highly credible evidence of a wide-ranging, multi-year in-person, off campus scouting scheme orchestrated by a noncoaching staff member of the University’s football program.

There were several extraordinary aspects of this call. It is rare and outside the NCAA’s typical protocols for the NCAA to disclose information about an active investigation to institutions other than the institution under investigation....

C. The NCAA Shares with the Conference the Master Spreadsheet Detailing the Extensive In-Person Sign-Stealing Activities Also on October 19, pursuant to my request to see first-hand the credible evidence in the NCAA’s possession, another senior-level Conference staff member and I participated in a videoconference with the NCAA...

Notice of Disciplinary Action Against the University of Michigan

[saevel25]

6 hours ago, vasaribm said:

Based on the timeline provided in the letter given to Michigan Friday, the NCAA notified the conference.  The letter makes no mention that the conference had a separate investigation or that the conference had asked the NCAA to investigate.  Events detailed after the call on Oct. 18th by the conference are reactionary to receiving information from the NCAA.

There is no regulation that conferences must wait on the NCAA to finish its investigation. Especially if the evidence is clear as day that the team was violating NCAA rules and B1G rules. 

6 hours ago, vasaribm said:

There were several extraordinary aspects of this call. It is rare and outside the NCAA’s typical protocols for the NCAA to disclose information about an active investigation to institutions other than the institution under investigation....

You conveniently cut off the remainer of the statement... 

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However, the NCAA stated and believed that the disclosure was necessary due to the unprecedented scope of the then-alleged scheme, and because of the significant impact the impermissible scheme could have on competition during the current football season. It was also extraordinary that the NCAA President arranged for and participated in the call, underscoring not only the severity of the allegations but the immediate impacts. All of these circumstances were a clear statement from the NCAA that the nature and reliability of the evidence they had received indicated that the improper scheme relating to the University’s football team was ongoing and created a substantial risk of compromising the integrity of football competitions this season.

Just because the NCAA doesn't usually do something, doesn't mean they can't or shouldn't do something.