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I am looking for the ball that will give me the most back-spin.

Titleist pro v1
Nike platinum
Nike Tour
Bridgestone e5
Bridgestone B330s

Any advice?

Driver: Nike Covert Driver

Irons: Mizuno JPX-825 Pro 5-GW 

Cleveland Mashie 1, 2, 3, & 4 hybrids

Wedges: Mizuno MP-T4 Black Nickel 54* & 58*

Putter: Wack-e with super stroke grip

Ball: Titleist Pro V1X


Posted
Pro V1's or the Nike Platinums.

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MX-19 4-GW SV Tour 54.12 & 58.08 White Hot 2-Ball SRT


Posted
if im not mistaken, i think the Nike Platinums are the spinniest of them all

Golf Digest or Golf Magazine did a test on this. And NIKE ONE Platinums came out the spinniest followed by Pro V1s. Unfortunately, the NIKEs were extremely short compared to others.

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TM Superquad 9.5* UST Proforce 77g Stiff
15* Sonartec SS-2.5 (Pershing stiff)
19* TM Burner (stock stiff)
4-U - PING i10 White dot, +1.25 inches, ZZ65 stiff shafts55*/11* Snake Eyes Form Forged (DGS300)60*/12* Snake Eyes Form Forged (DGS300)Ping i10 1/2 MoonTitleist ProV1


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Try this......

Driver - Cleveland HiBore 9.5
Wood - Taylor Made V Steel TS 3W
IW - Nickent 3DX Ironwood DC 3IW
Irons - Taylor Made Burner OS 5-PW
Wedges - Zevo 52...56Putter - MacGregor by Bobby Grace DCT Sunset

Posted
Try this......

Snoofer, this says that the pro v1x is the 2nd spinniest. Even more so than the pro v1s. Doesn't that contradict everything that has been accepted as gospel?

Driver: Nike Covert Driver

Irons: Mizuno JPX-825 Pro 5-GW 

Cleveland Mashie 1, 2, 3, & 4 hybrids

Wedges: Mizuno MP-T4 Black Nickel 54* & 58*

Putter: Wack-e with super stroke grip

Ball: Titleist Pro V1X


Posted
How in the hell does the ProV 1x spin more than the ProV 1.

Tour Burner...Grafalloy Pro Launch Red
V-Steele 15 deg....Grafalloy Pro Launch Red
Rescue Burner 19 deg....Grafalloy Epic
VR Split-Backs 3-5/7-PW...DG X100
KZG RSS 52 deg.KZG RSS 56 deg.KZG RSS 60 deg. Unitized Retro ONE Black...ONE Tour


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There was an article about that in Golf Digest i bleive a while back. It had something to do with the fact that the ProV1x has a slightly thinner urethane cover, which somehow induces more spin than the ProV.

Im not for certain but that was the case IIRC.

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Idea Pro 18* w/ VS Proto 80s
MP FLi-Hi 21 w/ S300
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Nike Platinums no contest. Having hit all three, the Nike "jerk" back compared to the others. Almost too much if you don't account for that much spin.

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Golf Digest or Golf Magazine did a test on this. And NIKE ONE Platinums came out the spinniest followed by Pro V1s. Unfortunately, the NIKEs were extremely short compared to others.

That's how I remembered it, too.

I like the compromise of super distance and outstanding check up ability the E5+ offers.
909D Comp 9.5* (house MATRIX OZIK XCON-6)
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To the OP: why do you want more spin? I haven't met may 10 handicappers who need more spin.

And to those wondering about the Pro V1 vs. V1x, for awhile the V1x did spin a little more off certain types of iron shots than the V1. That's been "corrected" in the current (2009) models. Listen to our Pro V1 podcast from a few weeks ago for more.

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To the OP: why do you want more spin? I haven't met may 10 handicappers who need more spin.

Since changing my swing over the winter I have encountered 2 things.

1. Much better ball striking. 2. Much lower trajectory. Since I live in CT, I have not golfed yet. But, I am anticipating that a lower ball flight will make holding greens more difficult than in the past. In speaking with the local pro, he says that my low ball flight can be mitigated with a higher spinning ball. It will also help me hold more greens. Distance is not a problem. It's ball flight. I guess golf is a trade off. My ball striking has improved so drastically, that living with a lower ball flight than what I had last year is something I am willing to work on. If you have any suggestions, I am all ears.

Driver: Nike Covert Driver

Irons: Mizuno JPX-825 Pro 5-GW 

Cleveland Mashie 1, 2, 3, & 4 hybrids

Wedges: Mizuno MP-T4 Black Nickel 54* & 58*

Putter: Wack-e with super stroke grip

Ball: Titleist Pro V1X


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In speaking with the local pro, he says that my low ball flight can be mitigated with a higher spinning ball. It will also help me hold more greens.

That's only going to be an issue if your ball doesn't stop relatively quickly already. I suspect that your ball isn't bouncing and rolling 40 feet after it hits the ground, so I don't know why you necessarily need more spin.

Also, a higher spinning (softer) ball will typically launch lower with irons than a lower spinning ball. If your ball striking has improved to the point where you are hitting the ball cleanly the majority of the time, you are probably putting enough spin on the ball already. I suggest you play some golf before you make any rash decisions like "I need more spin." Spin isn't just backspin, but sidespin as well.

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Director of Instruction Golf Evolution • Owner, The Sand Trap .com • AuthorLowest Score Wins
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That's only going to be an issue if your ball doesn't stop relatively quickly already. I suspect that your ball isn't bouncing and rolling 40 feet after it hits the ground, so I don't know why you necessarily need more spin.

I intend to. I just wanted that info in my back pocket.

I never heard that a softer ball will launch lower with irons. My plan is to play a few rounds before I change my ball. It's just that my game has changed so much that I am unsure what to expect. Never hit the ball like this before. Thanks for the input.

Driver: Nike Covert Driver

Irons: Mizuno JPX-825 Pro 5-GW 

Cleveland Mashie 1, 2, 3, & 4 hybrids

Wedges: Mizuno MP-T4 Black Nickel 54* & 58*

Putter: Wack-e with super stroke grip

Ball: Titleist Pro V1X


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According to that chart, the Callaway HX Hot Bite spins more than the ix tour! I need to look into that, maybe save some $$$.

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909D3 with 10.5 degrees of loft and a 45 inch Fujikura Rombax 6Z08, x-flex
909F3 15* with a stock Diamana Blue
FT 18* with an Aldila NV
X-forged ('07), 3-PW with Project X 6.0 CG12, 53/11, and 58* with DSG Red X2, 33"All with Lamkin Crossline Full Cord. (except the putter of...


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I intend to. I just wanted that info in my back pocket.

Congrats are in order on the breakthrough!!!!

Enjoy your new "solidness" and enjoy whichever ball you choose. We are lucky the the only choice these days isn't the Tour Balata....., "Sir would you like the 90 or 100 compression?". It seems that most manf. are offering you a "players" ball.
909D Comp 9.5* (house MATRIX OZIK XCON-6)
Burner Superfast 3 & 5 woods (house MATRIX OZIK XCON-4.8)
G15 Hybrid 23* (AWT shaft)
G5 5 iron-PW-46*, UW-50*, SW-54 & LW-58 (AWT shaft)
Studio Select Newport 2 Mid SlantGrips: PING cords & Golf Pride New Decade Multi-Coumpound Bag: C-130...

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According to that chart, the Callaway HX Hot Bite spins more than the ix tour! I need to look into that, maybe save some $$$.

I'm a little skeptical about the results of a few things on that chart. I've played both Callaways & don't believe for one second the HX Hot Bite spins more than the ix Tour. If you're looking to save some cash & still get a ball that spins, I'm a fan of the Bridgestone E5+. Not quite as good as the premiums but at $20 less a dozen, well worth the price.

Answering the question of the original poster..the Nike Platinums spin the most for sure IMO. I actually think they spin too much. You can really pull the string with these, but after the novelty of watching your ball snap back on a dime wears off, I think they're too hard to control
In My X Bag:

Driver: Sasquatch 460 Graffaloy NT Stiff 9.5°
3 Wood: X 15°
5 Wood: FT-5Irons: MP-52 Project X 5.5GW: Vokey 200 Series 52°SW: Wilson Staff R.Mendralla 56°LW: Vokey Spin Milled 60°Putter: Studio Select Newport 2Balls: Pro V1x

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ProVx1 + a Vokey SM wedge.

MP-57 3-PW
907 D1
CG-12 *56
Vokey sm *60
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