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I used it for a few months and dropped it a couple of months ago. I noticed an improvement in ball striking, and I figure its because of the weight being consistently on your front side. However, I did lose some distance, and I think its for the same reason that my ball striking improved. I didn't feel the same power from the stack and tilt.

I went back to a traditional swing because the stack and tilt just didn't give me enough incentive to stick with it. I had more trouble working the ball and lost distance(around 6-10 yards with the irons), but I did hit the ball crisper. Just to add, switching back to a traditional swing was actually very easy for me, and I hit the ball just as well. I think the stack and tilt method could be used as a drill to help smother the ball and stay with the shot, make a clean follow through and get on your front side. Thats what it helped me do better!

Hope this helps. Overall I think it could be good for some players and not for others. It helped me out with my traditional swing.
Sticks
driver- X460 tour 9.5 Aldila NVS 75
irons- X-forged 3-PW TT BlackGold stiff
wedges- x-tour vintage 52, 56, 60
hybrid- FT-hybrid #2 17* putter- Sophia 33" "If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough."_Mario Andretti

I've struggled very hard to overcome a reverse pivot. I know the Stack and Tilt method is not technically a reverse pivot but I'm afraid it would be too close for comfort in my case. I'd be afraid to try it for fear it would lead me back to my old bad habit. How anybody gets any distance on a shot while leaving their weight on their lead leg is beyond me.

In the Bag:
Driver: Cleveland Launcher Ultralight XL 270

FW: Taylor Made 300 17 degree 
3-PW: Mizuno MX-23

AW: Mizuno TP-T11 52/07 (Bent to 50)
SW: Mizuno TP-T11 56/10

LW: Mizuno TP-T11 60/05

Putter: Original Ping Zing

Ball: Wilson Staff FG Tour


S&T; is intended to produce a low, tight draw on shots which brings in the distance however many of the pros that used to be S&T; guys have given it up with the exception of Baddeley. It's a real quick way to hurt your leading impact arm if you pound balls on the range and don't make consistent contact with the ball and clubface.

Driver: Titleist 907D2 9.5 Stiff
Hybrid: Adams Pro Black 18*
Irons: Mizuno MP60 (4-PW)
Wedges: Vokey SM 50/54/58/62
Putter: Yes! CallieBall: TM PentaHome course: DeBell Golf Club http://www.debellgolf.com/


I'm not a fan... sure it might work for some, but there's nothing wrong with what I have, so why play with fire.
My Clubs: Callaway FT-i Tour LCG 9.5° w/ Matrix Ozik Xcon 6 stiff; Sonartec GS Tour 14° w/ Graphite Design Red Ice 70 stiff; Adams Idea Pro 2h(18°) & 3h(20°) w/ Aldila VS Proto 80 stiff; Adams Idea Pro Forged 4-PW w/ TT Black Gold stiff; Cleveland CG12 DSG RTG 52°-10° & 58°-10°; Odyssey...

I guess my swing is kind of like the stack and tilt, but I fight a minor reverse pivot, and I don't get behind the ball properly, then I slide laterally toward the target, so that method is not good for me.

Mike Pedersen


I switched last year late. I find I hit the ball a little more solid, piercing flight, but I have lost some iron distance. Not much 5-10 yards. But the Pros definitely outweigh the cons. I feel on a bad day I can squeeze a better round out than with my 1 plane aggressive weight shift method. Does not break down under pressure, and adrenaline/ nerves don't touch it.

:taylormade: R9 9.5d with Fujikura Motore 65 Stiff
ss-07 13deg 3 wood Graphite Design Purple Ice 85-S
Md-17 1i/4w UST V2 Tour Hybrid X
A3 Pro 20 Tour Prototype Mitsubishi Javln X
MP 57 4,5,6 Project X 6.5 MP 67 7,8,9 Project X 6.5 Vokey 200 series 48d Project X satin 6.5/ Vokey 09SMTC 54.11...


it works good but ifu think about it its really anotherway to explain a normal 1 plane swing

Chris Nunes,17 yrs old

In My Bag:
Woods:Nike Sasquatch Tour Model (Driver), Nike Sumo 3 wood
Irons: Callaway X-Forged (Project X 6.0)Wedge: Callaway C Grind 58 degree,Titleist Volkey 54 degree (oil can)Putter Cleveland Classic 2 or Scotty Cameron Santa Fe teryllium "Everyday you miss practicing it...


I tried it when it was first printed in golf digest, I think that was almost 2 years ago. I noticed a sudden drastic improvement in ball striking. It lasted for about a month. Then suddenly, everything went wrong, really wrong. Not sure what it was but I could never get it to work again for me. So I ditched it.

Stack and tilt is on its way out. I would bet that it's out within the next year to two years especially now that Badds dropped it.

T.M. O'Connell

What's in My Bag
Driver - 909 D2 9.5 degree
3 Wood - 909 F2 15.5 degreeHybrid - 909 H 19 degreeIrons - AP2 w/ Rifle 6.5Wedges - BN 60.04 & 54.11Putter - Pro Platinum Plus


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Stack and tilt is on its way out. I would bet that it's out within the next year to two years especially now that Badds dropped it.

Did he give reasons?

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I try and use it. I have a very hard time hitting my irons with the traditional swing, my driver on the other hand, I don't have as much of an issue with the weight transfer.

Driver:TaylorMade R580 XD Stiff
3 Wood:Wilson FY-brid 15*
Hybrid:Adams A3 Boxer # 3
Irons:Titleist Square Toe 4
Irons:Callaway X-20 5-PWWedges:Adams Tight Lies GT SWPutter: Ping Anser 2Ball: Wilson Ultra or Precept Lady IQ180 or Bridgestone e6+


Did he give reasons?

Driving accuracy was his reason.

T.M. O'Connell

What's in My Bag
Driver - 909 D2 9.5 degree
3 Wood - 909 F2 15.5 degreeHybrid - 909 H 19 degreeIrons - AP2 w/ Rifle 6.5Wedges - BN 60.04 & 54.11Putter - Pro Platinum Plus


I use s&t; for my irons. I think it's a good method to compress the ball better.

Golf is a game in which the ball always lies poorly and the player always lies well.


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Driving accuracy was his reason.

That makes sense.

Erik J. Barzeski —  I knock a ball. It goes in a gopher hole. 🏌🏼‍♂️
Director of Instruction Golf Evolution • Owner, The Sand Trap .com • AuthorLowest Score Wins
Golf Digest "Best Young Teachers in America" 2016-17 & "Best in State" 2017-20 • WNY Section PGA Teacher of the Year 2019 :edel: :true_linkswear:

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  • 1 month later...
I was struggling mightily with my swing; even took lessons and had the opportunity to have a free swing analysis at Golf-Tec. I still struggled with weight shift, rotation, hands, feet, ears, hat, angle of the sun, moon phase, everything ... always something out of sinc. I read the Golf Digest articles (2) on Stack and Tilt and decided to try. If I didn't have to shift and time that shift, hey! What the heck. So I worked on it, referring often to the article for the basics.

Like everywhere else you read on the web, I too had quick success. If anything, the more accurate shots boosted my confidence. Like everything else you've also read on the web, my swing slowly deteriorated. I attributed my decline - like any other swing - to a deviation from the basics. I got the article out again and went to the range and started over. The success I felt earlier came back. That was last summer.

Fast forward to this year - after a long winter off in WI - and I've started out just pathetic. Again, pulled out the article, went back to basics and it's slowly coming back again. I just feel comfortable with loading up the front side and not shifting back and forth and timing all of that. I'm 53 and not the most athletic person in the world. Like's been said on here ... to each his/her own. This S&T; or one plane swing or whatever, seems to work for me , if I stick to the basics. Which, I believe, can be said for any swing.

Hope that helps, sorry for the long diatribe!!!
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  • 1 month later...
I'm trying it out in the next few rounds. I hope it'll lead to more consistency. I don't really care about the loss in a couple yards. Accuracy > Distance.

I'm giving it a try, also. For ME, it seems to have helped. I'm now hitting down more consistently with my irons, with a slight but consistent draw. I have to work with my driver a little, but I'm quite pleased so far.

In my standbag:

Sumo2 5900 Driver, 9.5*, Diamana stiff flex
SQ Dymo, 17* 4wood, Widebody UST stiff flex
R7 irons 4-9 Project X 6.0 shafts 3i MP Fli-Hi hybrid CG10 56*, 60*/CG14 46*, 52* G5i Zing putter One Platinum or ProV1(x)OFF! Deep WoodsiGotcha! ball retriever


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