Jump to content
IGNORED

My Swing (saevel25)


saevel25

Recommended Posts

6 hours ago, mdl said:

Your mileage may vary, but I have the same problem trying to hit shorter than A3 with a "regular" but cut down swing.  I've transitioned over to playing those kind of partial shots only with my interpretation of the quickie pitching video pitching style: float loading, paint brush feel, quieter lower body, etc.  I've found I can use that style/feel swing pretty much all the way up to A3 and hit the ball ~80% of full swing distance with the wedges.  Personally I'm way more consistent that way rather than trying to use a full swing feel but just stopping at A2.6 or whatever.

One other thing I've played around with but haven't really tried to game yet is the Spieth version of distance control.  Instead of Pelz style shifting the back swing length, always take the same 80-90% backswing with the wedges, but control distance with how far your follow through goes.  Like, if you want to truly stop your swing at A8, you have to swing much slower and smoother, and will hit the ball not as far.  That's an option I've been considering for shots more in the 70-90% range, sort of a slightly different way to think about the flighting the ball advice in that very useful thread here.

I like this recommendation. I'm bad compared to you guys but I've improved my pitching immensely by following @iacas pitching video and the relatively early wrist set those techniques promote make it easier for me to be set up better for certain backswing percentages when my normal full swing does include a pretty late hinge.

I think my pitch swing looks a good bit different than my full swing and I'm no sure if that's good or bad.

Edited by Grizvok
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

  • Administrator
3 hours ago, GolfLug said:

@saevel25, maybe try a no wrist hinge swing for the 3/4 wedge? Basically have a slight lean in the shaft at set up but don't hinge. Let the arm/chest unit control the arc back and forth. Long term it may not be the best (and look a little silly) but in the short term it may help reduce 'bottom of the arc' confusion by providing a larger shallow range. It might let you come through impact with a bit more assurance and zip. 

Don't do that.

Ball won't go anywhere and low point control is even tougher with a shallow arc.

Erik J. Barzeski —  I knock a ball. It goes in a gopher hole. 🏌🏼‍♂️
Director of Instruction Golf Evolution • Owner, The Sand Trap .com • AuthorLowest Score Wins
Golf Digest "Best Young Teachers in America" 2016-17 & "Best in State" 2017-20 • WNY Section PGA Teacher of the Year 2019 :edel: :true_linkswear:

Check Out: New Topics | TST Blog | Golf Terms | Instructional Content | Analyzr | LSW | Instructional Droplets

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Played 9 holes, struck the ball much better. I stopped thinking about the back swing and just focused on the hip turn for the back swing. The swing was much better. 

I didn't make any putts of significant length. I made all the 5 ft and in. 

 

Matt Dougherty, P.E.
 fasdfa dfdsaf 

What's in My Bag
Driver; :pxg: 0311 Gen 5,  3-Wood: 
:titleist: 917h3 ,  Hybrid:  :titleist: 915 2-Hybrid,  Irons: Sub 70 TAIII Fordged
Wedges: :edel: (52, 56, 60),  Putter: :edel:,  Ball: :snell: MTB,  Shoe: :true_linkswear:,  Rangfinder: :leupold:
Bag: :ping:

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Played 9 holes this morning. 

Swing thoughts
1. Start swing with right hip.
2. Swing out a the ball. 

Hit the ball petty good. 

Matt Dougherty, P.E.
 fasdfa dfdsaf 

What's in My Bag
Driver; :pxg: 0311 Gen 5,  3-Wood: 
:titleist: 917h3 ,  Hybrid:  :titleist: 915 2-Hybrid,  Irons: Sub 70 TAIII Fordged
Wedges: :edel: (52, 56, 60),  Putter: :edel:,  Ball: :snell: MTB,  Shoe: :true_linkswear:,  Rangfinder: :leupold:
Bag: :ping:

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

I played in my first tournament in while. 

Driver: C-, I had a few good drives, but most put me out of position. Misses were either a tad over draw, or a big push cut. 

Irons: B+, for the most part I hit some really good shots. I found a feel that worked out a lot for me. I would make sure I have a good hip turn in the backswing, let the right hip go back. Then I would try to feel like I wanted to hit a low shot trajectory. This just seemed to produce a very solid shot. 

Short Game: F, just horrible. I wasted about 7 strokes around the green. Something is off here. Not going to think about technique now. Every shot is a struggle. 

Putting: D, just struggled with the putter. Mostly distance control stuff. 

I then played in the championship match for my work league. Talk about a complete 180. 

Driver: B-

Irons: B+

Short Game: D+

Putting: A, drained them from everywhere. 

Matt Dougherty, P.E.
 fasdfa dfdsaf 

What's in My Bag
Driver; :pxg: 0311 Gen 5,  3-Wood: 
:titleist: 917h3 ,  Hybrid:  :titleist: 915 2-Hybrid,  Irons: Sub 70 TAIII Fordged
Wedges: :edel: (52, 56, 60),  Putter: :edel:,  Ball: :snell: MTB,  Shoe: :true_linkswear:,  Rangfinder: :leupold:
Bag: :ping:

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Range Session (09-16-17)

Short Game

Started off bad, then got better. I went with more of a small turn in the backswing. I also started to swing slower, and look for good contact. I still struggle a tad with duffing a shot.

Irons
Struggled start lines. I was finally able to slow the swing down and hit a few good shots on the target line I wanted. I struggle with slowing the swing down because I'll chunk a lot of shots when I do. 

Backswing - Feels like 60-70% speed, feel like the backswing is driven by the hip turn. 
Downswing - I'm still working on this one to produce a consistent start line.

Driver
Not going to talk about it. No degree of slowing down the swing helps. I can slow it down to 50% and direction control is uncontrollable. 

 

Matt Dougherty, P.E.
 fasdfa dfdsaf 

What's in My Bag
Driver; :pxg: 0311 Gen 5,  3-Wood: 
:titleist: 917h3 ,  Hybrid:  :titleist: 915 2-Hybrid,  Irons: Sub 70 TAIII Fordged
Wedges: :edel: (52, 56, 60),  Putter: :edel:,  Ball: :snell: MTB,  Shoe: :true_linkswear:,  Rangfinder: :leupold:
Bag: :ping:

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Short game is getting much better again. Feeling like I am making the back swing at 50-60% the normal swing has helped out a ton. Now I'm able to control contact and distance much better. 

The iron game feels much better. Same deal, a slower back swing has helped. 

Distance wedges are a hit or miss. Still working out what produces the best results. I think a bit more swing outward feel. I tend to duff these to much. 

Driver is a mess. Unlike the irons, I have no feel for the club at all. 

Matt Dougherty, P.E.
 fasdfa dfdsaf 

What's in My Bag
Driver; :pxg: 0311 Gen 5,  3-Wood: 
:titleist: 917h3 ,  Hybrid:  :titleist: 915 2-Hybrid,  Irons: Sub 70 TAIII Fordged
Wedges: :edel: (52, 56, 60),  Putter: :edel:,  Ball: :snell: MTB,  Shoe: :true_linkswear:,  Rangfinder: :leupold:
Bag: :ping:

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

The golf game has hit rock bottom. 

http://www.gamegolf.com/player/saevel25/round/1850409

I guess the main issue is that bad results don't feel different from good results in terms of the swing feels. This is true from Driver to Short Game. 

Today, I have no idea why every other shot was slightly fat. No clue. Not one shot was fat at the driving range beforehand. There was no difference in feel to me.  

Same with Short Game. I make the same backswing I had success with at the practice area, and the results vary tremendously on the course. 

This applies to trying to slow the swing down to get better contact. I practice this shot at the range and had good results, but bad results on the course.  Also shots like punchy/chippy type shots for contact. I had success on the range, and the results vary hugely on the course. 

Really there is nothing I can go to right now to ensure good contact. 

It's probably in my head, but that still doesn't help me. The same issues keep popping up. I guess I'll just keep practicing and hope it gets better. 

 

 

Matt Dougherty, P.E.
 fasdfa dfdsaf 

What's in My Bag
Driver; :pxg: 0311 Gen 5,  3-Wood: 
:titleist: 917h3 ,  Hybrid:  :titleist: 915 2-Hybrid,  Irons: Sub 70 TAIII Fordged
Wedges: :edel: (52, 56, 60),  Putter: :edel:,  Ball: :snell: MTB,  Shoe: :true_linkswear:,  Rangfinder: :leupold:
Bag: :ping:

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

  • Administrator

@saevel25, what was the advice I gave you last?

It's the same I'd give you now.

Either that, or take two weeks completely off… but that's gotta be tough this time of year, so I don't expect you to choose that one.

Erik J. Barzeski —  I knock a ball. It goes in a gopher hole. 🏌🏼‍♂️
Director of Instruction Golf Evolution • Owner, The Sand Trap .com • AuthorLowest Score Wins
Golf Digest "Best Young Teachers in America" 2016-17 & "Best in State" 2017-20 • WNY Section PGA Teacher of the Year 2019 :edel: :true_linkswear:

Check Out: New Topics | TST Blog | Golf Terms | Instructional Content | Analyzr | LSW | Instructional Droplets

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

  • Moderator
10 hours ago, saevel25 said:

The golf game has hit rock bottom. 

http://www.gamegolf.com/player/saevel25/round/1850409

I guess the main issue is that bad results don't feel different from good results in terms of the swing feels. This is true from Driver to Short Game. 

Today, I have no idea why every other shot was slightly fat. No clue. Not one shot was fat at the driving range beforehand. There was no difference in feel to me.  

Same with Short Game. I make the same backswing I had success with at the practice area, and the results vary tremendously on the course. 

This applies to trying to slow the swing down to get better contact. I practice this shot at the range and had good results, but bad results on the course.  Also shots like punchy/chippy type shots for contact. I had success on the range, and the results vary hugely on the course. 

Really there is nothing I can go to right now to ensure good contact. 

It's probably in my head, but that still doesn't help me. The same issues keep popping up. I guess I'll just keep practicing and hope it gets better. 

 

 

Matt,

Reading your post feels like you are expecting a bad result on the course. Don't focus on the expectation of a bad result. You will get a bad result. Listen to Erik's advice and clear everything else out. Be the ball Danny. Be the ball.

Scott

Titleist, Edel, Scotty Cameron Putter, Snell - AimPoint - Evolvr - MirrorVision

My Swing Thread

boogielicious - Adjective describing the perfect surf wave

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

11 hours ago, iacas said:

@saevel25, what was the advice I gave you last?

Probably this,

On ‎7‎/‎30‎/‎2017 at 10:27 PM, iacas said:

Make the longest/fastest swing you can make where the ball is hit solidly and has a good flight.

Don't worry about the mechanics that much.

 

21 minutes ago, boogielicious said:

Matt,

Reading your post feels like you are expecting a bad result on the course. Don't focus on the expectation of a bad result. You will get a bad result. Listen to Erik's advice and clear everything else out. Be the ball Danny. Be the ball.

No specifically, but the overall confidence level is probably low.

 

Matt Dougherty, P.E.
 fasdfa dfdsaf 

What's in My Bag
Driver; :pxg: 0311 Gen 5,  3-Wood: 
:titleist: 917h3 ,  Hybrid:  :titleist: 915 2-Hybrid,  Irons: Sub 70 TAIII Fordged
Wedges: :edel: (52, 56, 60),  Putter: :edel:,  Ball: :snell: MTB,  Shoe: :true_linkswear:,  Rangfinder: :leupold:
Bag: :ping:

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

  • Administrator
1 hour ago, saevel25 said:

Probably this,

Yep.

Your mechanics are not that bad. They're easily good enough, given your swing speed, to shoot in the 70s the vast majority of the time.

If you want to do something else, then set up normally and have a buddy tell you "left, right, or straight" mid-backswing. Or "slice, hook, or straight" mid-backswing.

But not at higher speeds until they're solid.


I mean, you're always welcome to come over for a visit and some work. It's been many months, but again, I'm trying to simplify for you as you've gotten in a bit too deep, generally speaking.

Erik J. Barzeski —  I knock a ball. It goes in a gopher hole. 🏌🏼‍♂️
Director of Instruction Golf Evolution • Owner, The Sand Trap .com • AuthorLowest Score Wins
Golf Digest "Best Young Teachers in America" 2016-17 & "Best in State" 2017-20 • WNY Section PGA Teacher of the Year 2019 :edel: :true_linkswear:

Check Out: New Topics | TST Blog | Golf Terms | Instructional Content | Analyzr | LSW | Instructional Droplets

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

28 minutes ago, iacas said:

 


I mean, you're always welcome to come over for a visit and some work. It's been many months, but again, I'm trying to simplify for you as you've gotten in a bit too deep, generally speaking.

I agree, I'll make a trip up after the golf season.

 

 

Matt Dougherty, P.E.
 fasdfa dfdsaf 

What's in My Bag
Driver; :pxg: 0311 Gen 5,  3-Wood: 
:titleist: 917h3 ,  Hybrid:  :titleist: 915 2-Hybrid,  Irons: Sub 70 TAIII Fordged
Wedges: :edel: (52, 56, 60),  Putter: :edel:,  Ball: :snell: MTB,  Shoe: :true_linkswear:,  Rangfinder: :leupold:
Bag: :ping:

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

"Make the longest/fastest swing you can make where the ball is hit solidly and has a good flight. Don't worry about the mechanics that much."

Well, I need to learn how to do this better. Lots of mixed results in trying this. 

 

 

Matt Dougherty, P.E.
 fasdfa dfdsaf 

What's in My Bag
Driver; :pxg: 0311 Gen 5,  3-Wood: 
:titleist: 917h3 ,  Hybrid:  :titleist: 915 2-Hybrid,  Irons: Sub 70 TAIII Fordged
Wedges: :edel: (52, 56, 60),  Putter: :edel:,  Ball: :snell: MTB,  Shoe: :true_linkswear:,  Rangfinder: :leupold:
Bag: :ping:

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

  • Administrator
1 hour ago, saevel25 said:

"Make the longest/fastest swing you can make where the ball is hit solidly and has a good flight. Don't worry about the mechanics that much."

Well, I need to learn how to do this better. Lots of mixed results in trying this.

I don't understand.

If that's a 10% swing and your 7-iron goes 25 yards, do that if a 15% swing does not meet the "ball hit solidly with a good flight" criteria.

The goal here is not to swing fast. It's to swing as fast as you can so long as the bold is true. As soon as the bold is untrue, you back off.

Erik J. Barzeski —  I knock a ball. It goes in a gopher hole. 🏌🏼‍♂️
Director of Instruction Golf Evolution • Owner, The Sand Trap .com • AuthorLowest Score Wins
Golf Digest "Best Young Teachers in America" 2016-17 & "Best in State" 2017-20 • WNY Section PGA Teacher of the Year 2019 :edel: :true_linkswear:

Check Out: New Topics | TST Blog | Golf Terms | Instructional Content | Analyzr | LSW | Instructional Droplets

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

1 hour ago, iacas said:

I don't understand.

If that's a 10% swing and your 7-iron goes 25 yards, do that if a 15% swing does not meet the "ball hit solidly with a good flight" criteria.

The goal here is not to swing fast. It's to swing as fast as you can so long as the bold is true. As soon as the bold is untrue, you back off.

I know the goal isn't to swing fast. I have to work on not swinging fast. It takes a lot of concentration for me to slow the swing way down. Even when I slow it down, its still not something I am accustomed to doing. I have no experience in the timing for this type of swing. 

 

 

  • Like 1

Matt Dougherty, P.E.
 fasdfa dfdsaf 

What's in My Bag
Driver; :pxg: 0311 Gen 5,  3-Wood: 
:titleist: 917h3 ,  Hybrid:  :titleist: 915 2-Hybrid,  Irons: Sub 70 TAIII Fordged
Wedges: :edel: (52, 56, 60),  Putter: :edel:,  Ball: :snell: MTB,  Shoe: :true_linkswear:,  Rangfinder: :leupold:
Bag: :ping:

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

  • Administrator
21 minutes ago, saevel25 said:

I know the goal isn't to swing fast. I have to work on not swinging fast. It takes a lot of concentration for me to slow the swing way down. Even when I slow it down, its still not something I am accustomed to doing. I have no experience in the timing for this type of swing.

Huh?

Hit a chip shot Matt. If you can do that and hit the ball solidly with a good flight, make the swing a little longer.

I'm not telling you to make a full-length swing at 10% speed. That would be awkward to sequence, awkward to hit a ball… etc.

One of the "S" in the 5 S of Practice is "Short."

Erik J. Barzeski —  I knock a ball. It goes in a gopher hole. 🏌🏼‍♂️
Director of Instruction Golf Evolution • Owner, The Sand Trap .com • AuthorLowest Score Wins
Golf Digest "Best Young Teachers in America" 2016-17 & "Best in State" 2017-20 • WNY Section PGA Teacher of the Year 2019 :edel: :true_linkswear:

Check Out: New Topics | TST Blog | Golf Terms | Instructional Content | Analyzr | LSW | Instructional Droplets

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

10 hours ago, iacas said:

I'm not telling you to make a full-length swing at 10% speed. That would be awkward to sequence, awkward to hit a ball… etc.

I was trying to find the slowest I could swing (full backswing length) and make good contact. I was working my way from top down not bottom up.

 

Matt Dougherty, P.E.
 fasdfa dfdsaf 

What's in My Bag
Driver; :pxg: 0311 Gen 5,  3-Wood: 
:titleist: 917h3 ,  Hybrid:  :titleist: 915 2-Hybrid,  Irons: Sub 70 TAIII Fordged
Wedges: :edel: (52, 56, 60),  Putter: :edel:,  Ball: :snell: MTB,  Shoe: :true_linkswear:,  Rangfinder: :leupold:
Bag: :ping:

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now


  • Want to join this community?

    We'd love to have you!

    Sign Up
  • TST Partners

    TourStriker PlaneMate
    Golfer's Journal
    ShotScope
    The Stack System
    FlightScope Mevo
    Direct: Mevo, Mevo+, and Pro Package.

    Coupon Codes (save 10-15%): "IACAS" for Mevo/Stack, "IACASPLUS" for Mevo+/Pro Package, and "THESANDTRAP" for ShotScope.
  • Posts

    • Wordle 1,004 4/6* 🟦🟦🟦⬛⬛ 🟧⬛🟦⬛🟦 🟧⬛🟧🟧🟧 🟧🟧🟧🟧🟧
    • Day 76 - Pretty sore today, so I opted for putting over my Stack session. Primary focus was on starting line, as my putting has been pretty poor this year. 
    • Been a bit of delay in updates but I needed to come back east as my mom's health has taken a serious turn for the worse. In a 3 day span we learned she had a tumor to she has stage 4 cancer and stopped eating and drinking for the most part. She has had a rough 3 months but certainly didn't think we'd be at the point of setting up hospice for her. My mom was never into any sports really other than following the Red Sox because my dad was a big fan. She always cared about what we were involved in including asking about how golf went.  I have kept up with my 5 minutes of daily practice and will go to the gym here in NH tomorrow morning. Despite the somber nature of this trip my family has commented more than a few times about my weight loss so it's important to me to keep it up. I know my mom always wanted us happy in whatever we did so I'll continue with my fitness journey keeping that in mind. 
    • Day 109- Putting drills on a putting green for 20 minutes. 
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

Welcome to TST! Signing up is free, and you'll see fewer ads and can talk with fellow golf enthusiasts! By using TST, you agree to our Terms of Use, our Privacy Policy, and our Guidelines.

The popup will be closed in 10 seconds...