Deutsche Bank - Miller Analysis of Woods

[iacas]

Camera angles are slightly different - 3W is from a lower angle - and the left one is a ball on the ground (basically) with a 3W versus a ball teed up with a driver, so some minor differences there - namely in how far forward Tiger will have to get, which will affect when his right heel is pulled off the ground.

- Less rotation of #3 to keep the clubface a bit squarer.

- Hands deeper, though nowhere near as much as he'll get to.

- Right knee straightening more.

- Position at the top will not require as much of a "drop into the slot" move nor as much right shoulder.

- Club exits a bit higher which is not only indicative of a better path but a bit less of the old Tiger "flip" move - he had to aggressively square the clubface with his hands, a big timing piece from being stuck or getting the club trapped behind him (whether over or under the plane) that resulted in the frequent two-way miss. See the Charley Hoffman video I posted for an example of almost no release at all.



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[sean_miller]

If I tell you to jump high you won't do it from a standing position. You'll crouch and then explode upwards. Like Woods.

I'd pay money to see that.

I think they're doing a disservice to the viewers in their analyses. They could look a bit harder to find swings that are more unique. The ones they showed seemed to have very subtle differences - the kind that could appear during the same round depending on what shot he was trying to play. To rank amateurs like me, showing what he works on at the range, versus what he was working on with Haney or Harmon, would be more informative.

[iacas]

I'd pay money to see that.

SAM exploding? Yeah, I bet you would...

I think they're doing a disservice to the viewers in their analyses. They could look a bit harder to find swings that are more unique. The ones they showed seemed to have very subtle differences - the kind that could appear during the same round depending on what shot he was trying to play.

To some extent I agree, but the fluctuations are minor except when someone's trying a bizarre shot - a huge hook under some trees, a big high slice over some bushes, etc.

But the part about the drills a player tends to work on, yes, agreed. But cameras don't tend to visit practice ranges, unfortunately.

[saevel25]

How do you get from the top position, to impact were the club head path flows down the right forearm instead of above, the transition Tiger did in the fourth picture from the top?

[delav]

Camera angles are slightly different - 3W is from a lower angle - and the left one is a ball on the ground (basically) with a 3W versus a ball teed up with a driver, so some minor differences there - namely in how far forward Tiger will have to get, which will affect when his right heel is pulled off the ground.

Thanks for posting this, I really enjoy the analysis (esp w/measurement).

[eaglehawk]

Jim Hardy says its ok for a one planer to bend down slightly on the down swing or remain the same but never raise up out of posture to keep the swing on plane. sam snead also made the squat move on the downswing famous which tiger has always done although at times overcooked and caused him to get stuck and block right or flip hook with hands to compensate.

[westcyderydin]

just look at the way his shaft flexed in his backswing in the earlier video... his tempo must have been really fast.. along with everything else

[jamo]

Camera angles are slightly different - 3W is from a lower angle - and the left one is a ball on the ground (basically) with a 3W versus a ball teed up with a driver, so some minor differences there - namely in how far forward Tiger will have to get, which will affect when his right heel is pulled off the ground.

You don't read anything into the wrist at the top?

[iacas]

You don't read anything into the wrist at the top?

Not a bunch, no. It's partly a condition of his arm height, partly a condition of #3 rolling (or not rolling) the face wide open, and partly a condition of his feeling like laying the club off under Haney helped the club to not get stuck (it didn't) and now understanding that isn't really true.

It's a combination of better information and better mechanics. Put another (slightly incorrect) way: it's an effect, not an affect. A result, not a cause.

[nevets88]

Thanks for the analysis.

The white clothing on the white background threw me off, I mistook the shoulder plane to be steeper.

This swing change is alot more interesting than the Harmon/Haney change.

So we won't see Woods until after Ryder Cup for awhile, probably 3 months I guess? What do you suspect he could get done in that amount of time?

[iacas]

So we won't see Woods until after Ryder Cup for awhile, probably 3 months I guess? What do you suspect he could get done in that amount of time?

He's playing a few tournaments here and there (China, Australia again I think, his own tournament), but nothing big until a month or so the Masters.

[eaglehawk]

watch his knees, they flex, which is the sam snead squat that they say shallowed out his his downswing and got the club square to the target line longer. the problem with this move according to the experts is its easier to get the club stuck behind you if your timing is off, hence the block right or the flip hook save with the hands