Titleist Vokeys

[18thbunker]

cast vs forged ..... when it comes to feel not even close.....unless you have hands of stone. this should not even debatable.

[iacas]

  18thbunker said:

Originally Posted by 18thbunker

cast vs forged ..... when it comes to feel not even close.....unless you have hands of stone. this should not even debatable.

And it's not debatable... golfers can't tell the difference. Proven by science and several studies. Golfers couldn't even tell the difference, when you plugged their ears, between a Top-Flite and a premium golf ball.

Forged vs. Cast is a joke. The shape of the club often dictates the process by which it's made, and that's about all that "forged" or "cast" matters. 20 years ago "cast" was worse. They've made some awfully big strides in casting. Casting is now as good as forged, period.

Here's nearly 70 pages on the topic: http://thesandtrap.com/t/1358/master-forged-vs-cast-or-blade-vs-game-improvement-iron-thread .

[GaijinGolfer]

  Shorty said:

Originally Posted by Shorty

Again...you're making things up.  And you are also swallowing Mizuno's advertising hook line and sinker. Aren't there air pockets in the billets they use for their forged irons?

A lot of Ping players out there too, arent' there? Not many of them play Anser forged irons.

And, in case you didn't understand the point Iacas made, Vokeys are probably the most played wedges on tour. Played by roughly half, in fact.

If Titleist thought that they could could make a better wedge by forging them they'd do it.  You are imagining things.

Or perhaps Titleist is just using a cheaper manufacturing process.  As for the billet rods used in forging irons, the forging process pounds the pockets out of the metal.  Its amazing how many people dont understand the differences between casting and forging.

[Phil McGleno]

You must be including yourself in that.

  TitleistWI said:

Originally Posted by TitleistWI

Its amazing how many people dont understand the differences between casting and forging.

[iacas]

  TitleistWI said:

Originally Posted by TitleistWI

Or perhaps Titleist is just using a cheaper manufacturing process.  As for the billet rods used in forging irons, the forging process pounds the pockets out of the metal.  Its amazing how many people dont understand the differences between casting and forging.

Cleveland wedges are cast too. Vokeys. Two most popular wedges on the PGA Tour - guys that utterly and completely depend on their wedges for their livings. If there was any advantage at all to having forged wedges, they'd all be playing forged wedges. Titleist obviously doesn't have a problem with forging complex clubs - clearly they'd forge wedges if it provided even a little performance benefit.

The simple truth is, it doesn't. Cast wedges are just as good as forged. In fact, if you cast clubs out of a softer metal, they can easily be better than forged. Casting techniques aren't the same as the ones from the 1970s.

[coopster]

I just traded out my cg15 for a vokey 60 and I am 100% glad I did. Great spin and feel with this club.

[sean_miller]

  coopster said:

Originally Posted by coopster

I just traded out my cg15 for a vokey 60 and I am 100% glad I did. Great spin and feel with this club.

Nothing spins like a new Vokey.  I couldn't get mine into a practice bunker fast enough. I'm not a fan of a wedge that won't let the ball release a little bit when you want it to. I like the shape (grind in forged lingo) though - it's very classic and unlike Cleveland it doesn't change much year to year. Thank goodness Cleveland is re-introducing some of their more "classic" grinds.

[18thbunker]

Proven by science and several studies ???

We are talking about feel ? You are saying that what golfers personally feel is superceded by science and several studies ? So what my hands feel  is just a figment of my imagination ?

Geez people have some ounce of common sense and think for yourself for a change. Stop being robots and products of 'science'.

  iacas said:

Originally Posted by iacas

And it's not debatable... golfers can't tell the difference. Proven by science and several studies. Golfers couldn't even tell the difference, when you plugged their ears, between a Top-Flite and a premium golf ball.

Forged vs. Cast is a joke. The shape of the club often dictates the process by which it's made, and that's about all that "forged" or "cast" matters. 20 years ago "cast" was worse. They've made some awfully big strides in casting. Casting is now as good as forged, period.

Here's nearly 70 pages on the topic: http://thesandtrap.com/t/1358/master-forged-vs-cast-or-blade-vs-game-improvement-iron-thread .

[Shorty]

BMW Championships

Wedges:
1. Titleist (64)
2. TaylorMade (41)
3. Cleveland (30)

Gosh----how most these of these guys must have suffered without the "feel" of forged wedges. Poor babies.

[18thbunker]

'Science and several studies ........ concluded no difference'.

Now folks, do we really need science of others to tell us what our hands are telling us ?

Geez, time to lay off those 'studies' and use our own personal common sense.

My hands tell me that a well made forge irons will give you the buttery feel compared to the popular irons made via the casting process.

[8.5_Drive]

anyone know what model this is?

[newtogolf]

Looks like the most recent model prior the groove rules change.

[jamo]

  18thbunker said:

'Science and several studies ........ concluded no difference'.

Now folks, do we really need science of others to tell us what our hands are telling us ?

Geez, time to lay off those 'studies' and use our own personal common sense.

My hands tell me that a well made forge irons will give you the buttery feel compared to the popular irons made via the casting process.

How has "feel isn't real" not found its way into this thread? It's the placebo effect. You pick up a forged Mizuno and your brain tells you it's supposed to be soft. Consequently, if you pick up a cast Ping G10, your brain is going to scream "hard as a rock!" because we've all been told that's what we're supposed to feel. Perception isn't reality. You say lay off "those 'studies,'" I say lay off the marketing.

[sean_miller]

Let's not bring G10s into this discussion. There's a whole other part of my brain that tells me to just put down the G10.

  jamo said:

Originally Posted by jamo

Quote:

Originally Posted by 18thbunker

'Science and several studies ........ concluded no difference'.

Now folks, do we really need science of others to tell us what our hands are telling us ?

Geez, time to lay off those 'studies' and use our own personal common sense.

My hands tell me that a well made forge irons will give you the buttery feel compared to the popular irons made via the casting process.

How has "feel isn't real" not found its way into this thread? It's the placebo effect. You pick up a forged Mizuno and your brain tells you it's supposed to be soft. Consequently, if you pick up a cast Ping G10, your brain is going to scream "hard as a rock!" because we've all been told that's what we're supposed to feel. Perception isn't reality. You say lay off "those 'studies,'" I say lay off the marketing.

[newtogolf]

I lol'd at this.  I rented G10's (only lefty clubs they had)  while on vacation this year and I hated them.  I couldn't hit them well (could be indian) didn't like how they looked at address and overall had a horrible experience with them.  I know others think highly of them and I was more likely the reason than the clubs but that day kind of ruined them for me.

  sean_miller said:

Originally Posted by sean_miller

Let's not bring G10s into this discussion. There's a whole other part of my brain that tells me to just put down the G10.

[mvmac]

  18thbunker said:

Originally Posted by 18thbunker

'Science and several studies ........ concluded no difference'.

Now folks, do we really need science of others to tell us what our hands are telling us ?

Geez, time to lay off those 'studies' and use our own personal common sense.

My hands tell me that a well made forge irons will give you the buttery feel compared to the popular irons made via the casting process.

Again it's not the hands giving you feedback, it's the difference in sound

[N255]

I use 3 titleist vokey wedges and wouldn't part with them!

They were hard to hit initially but the spin and feel of them is fantastic.

[iacas]

  18thbunker said:

Originally Posted by 18thbunker

We are talking about feel ? You are saying that what golfers personally feel is superceded by science and several studies ? So what my hands feel  is just a figment of my imagination ?

  18thbunker said:

Originally Posted by 18thbunker

'Science and several studies ........ concluded no difference'.

Now folks, do we really need science of others to tell us what our hands are telling us ?

Geez, time to lay off those 'studies' and use our own personal common sense.

My hands tell me that a well made forge irons will give you the buttery feel compared to the popular irons made via the casting process.

Your hands are liars.

Others have responded and I have virtually no time. "Feel" is 90%+ sound. "Science and studies" prove that we're easily fooled. Stamp a cast club "forged" and people will tell you it's softer than a forged club stamped "cast." Build a cast muscle back and people will tell you it feels softer than a forged cavity back (with no markings on either).

You believe what you want to believe, and "feel" is a lie.