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Title says it all, I always thought they were forged up untill a few months ago, when I was told they were not forged anymore?

Share some light for me please!

Driver: 909D3 8.5* Diamana White Board X
3 Wood: MP 630 15* GRAFALLOY PROLAUNCH RED X
Hybrid: 909H 19* "Real" VooDoo X
3 - P: MP-68 KBS Tour Black Nickel X
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I'm not 100% sure but i think that vokey series have ALWAYS been cast. Back in the days when Titleist produced 200, 300 and 400 Vokey series, I was surprised too when i heard that they were not forged. In my opinion, the ultimate question is: What difference does it make that a wedge is cast/forged? Cast wedges can be bent just as easily as forged ones, I believe.

By the way, somebody told me once that cast wedges keep their loft and lie for a longer time period. Is this true?
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I'm not 100% sure but i think that vokey series have ALWAYS been cast. Back in the days when Titleist produced 200, 300 and 400 Vokey series, I was surprised too when i heard that they were not forged. In my opinion, the ultimate question is: What difference does it make that a wedge is cast/forged? Cast wedges can be bent just as easily as forged ones, I believe.

Hey thanks for fast reply

Umm Forged is always eaiser to bend. Only difference it makes to me is they forged feels 1000000000x Better :P I would say it could be true since they have more bounce, but Im not sure

Driver: 909D3 8.5* Diamana White Board X
3 Wood: MP 630 15* GRAFALLOY PROLAUNCH RED X
Hybrid: 909H 19* "Real" VooDoo X
3 - P: MP-68 KBS Tour Black Nickel X
56* 10 Wedge Vr60* 06 Wedge: VrPutter: Custom Made.Golf Ball: TOUR B330SI am the greatest, I said that even before I knew I was....

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wrx_junki Great Member

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Hey thanks for fast reply

So the two top selling wedges Vokey and Cleveland feel 100000000x worse when you found out they were not forged? You couldn't even tell they were forged/cast until someone told you...

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So the two top selling wedges Vokey and Cleveland feel 100000000x worse when you found out they were not forged? You couldn't even tell they were forged/cast until someone told you...

lol, what he said

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Probably since he started mass-producing them. I don't know when that was though. I'd guess somewhere around 10ish years ago. But Vokeys are carbon steel anyway, they're pretty soft as it is.

FWIW I have a forged LW right now and I'm going to get a cast one next time. The forged just wore out way too fast.

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Driver: Titleist TSi3 | 15º 3-Wood: Ping G410 | 17º 2-Hybrid: Ping G410 | 19º 3-Iron: TaylorMade GAPR Lo |4-PW Irons: Nike VR Pro Combo | 54º SW, 60º LW: Titleist Vokey SM8 | Putter: Odyssey Toulon Las Vegas H7

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motteler621 Great Member

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didnt know the vokeys were carbon steel, thats pretty cool. One thing I can tell between a forged wedge and a cast wedge is when I blade the ball softly I can tell a difference between a forged and cast right away. The cast doesnt really have any feeling when you blade the ball but with the forged you get this dense firm feel. If people blindfolded me and told me I wouldnt be able to tell the difference between a forged and cast, I would take their money all day because I would just walk up to the ball and slightly blade it and would know.

i found this out by pushing balls around with my wedges. Its very dicernable
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This thread is a hoot. Forged feels "100000000000x" better, even though you didn't know Vokeys were cast. Otoh, they are the "best wedges ever." And someone else can always tell the difference between forged and cast with a blindfold on.
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didnt know the vokeys were carbon steel, thats pretty cool.

Why TF is it "cool"????

In the race of life, always back self-interest. At least you know it's trying.

 

 

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Carbon anything makes it cool. Carbon fiber especially!

So True. How about this one, "My Carbon-Fiber Forged X-Flex Triple Low Launch putter shaft is the shiznit"

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I don't see what the fuss is about. Jamo said they are made out of carbon steel which is pretty soft, his exact words. And I said that was cool. I don't see the big deal here. I mainly said it because I like the way their putters feel
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In case anyone was wondering about my sources, TGW lists the following on the Vokey Spin Milled Tour Chrome wedge's page: "Construction - 8620 Carbon Steel"

Also I recall watching a video on the Vokey website where Bob Vokey said that the Spin Milled wedges were made with some sort of special heat treated carbon steel. The heat treated part was probably total marketing BS, but I doubt the carbon steel part is. I'm sure I could look through the videos and find it, but I really don't feel like watching all of the videos on his website.

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Driver: Titleist TSi3 | 15º 3-Wood: Ping G410 | 17º 2-Hybrid: Ping G410 | 19º 3-Iron: TaylorMade GAPR Lo |4-PW Irons: Nike VR Pro Combo | 54º SW, 60º LW: Titleist Vokey SM8 | Putter: Odyssey Toulon Las Vegas H7

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wrx_junki Great Member

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I don't see what the fuss is about. Jamo said they are made out of carbon steel which is pretty soft, his exact words. And I said that was cool. I don't see the big deal here. I mainly said it because I like the way their putters feel

If it makes you feel better, my comment was not directed at you.

The heat treated part was probably total marketing BS, but I doubt the carbon steel part is.

Carbon steels which can successfully undergo heat-treatment have a carbon content in the range of 0.30–1.70% by weight. The purpose of heat treating carbon steel is to change the mechanical properties of steel, usually ductility, hardness, yield strength, or impact resistance. Makes sense that they would go through heat treatment.

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I don't see what the fuss is about. Jamo said they are made out of carbon steel which is pretty soft, his exact words. And I said that was cool. I don't see the big deal here. I mainly said it because I like the way their putters feel

I think people are just having a fun time making fun of all the marketing hype found in the golf industry.

In case anyone was wondering about my sources, TGW lists the following on the Vokey Spin Milled Tour Chrome wedge's page: "Construction - 8620 Carbon Steel"

True, the vokeys are carbon steel, which is soft compared to other steels such as stainless. BUT... the wedges are cast of this material, not forged from it.

Heat treatment has effects on the hardness of the metals. I would assume the "Heat Treatment" is in concerns to the cooling rate of the casts, and the difference that the rate at which a metal cools affects its hardness. That is my guess at least....

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If it makes you feel better, my comment was not directed at you.

Beat me to it.... what ^ he said.

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