Marijuana use and the golf game

[Texian]

I'm not against alcohol in moderation, although I don't think it's necessary and doesn't improve anything. It may even have some medical benefit in some cases.

But if smoking causes cancer, what does smoking pot do?

[Elvisliveson]

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  Fourputt said:

That wouldn't be true if both were equally available.  You can't make a comparison between a legal and universally obtainable substance and an illegal substance which is only obtainable in a limited way.  There are a lot of people who would use drugs, and drive after using them to excess, if they weren't illegal.  Then you'd have to start a new highway death statistic separation... was he killed by a drunk or by a druggie?  Not that it would matter to the victim - dead is still dead.

As far as addictive destruction goes, meth, crack, smack, PCP, and many others are at least as destructive to the user as alcohol is.  Your assertion doesn't hold water.

Exactly. The "amount of destruction" argument doesn't hold water because alcohol is consumed by hundreds of millions of more people than any single illegal drug. Better to look at a list like this http://drbenkim.com/ten-most-dangerous-drugs.html which considers the illegal drugs you mentioned to be more dangerous than alcohol. And while marijuana is listed after alcohol, it probably would result in almost as many cases of lung cancer as cigarettes if it were legal.

[walk18]

  JT SCRATCH said:

Too bad the law does not revolve around "in your mind." Alcohol may be more distructive, but its legal. That is part of the problem with this country is that people dont follow the rules. Rules/Laws are there for a reason, and regadless of whether or not you accept them, they are cut and dry, black and white. Remember that golf is a game of honor, just like in life you should be honorable, and obey the law.

Actually the problem in this country is people being unable to mind their business. For me, a few beers is what works, for someone else it's a smoke, what do I care? LOL do they suddenly gain morality as soon as they step off the plane in Amsterdam?? Life is short, judging others is not time well spent.

[xxsoultonesxx]

  ghalfaire said:

Originally Posted by ghalfaire

You're probably a lot younger than me but " Amen to that" means I agree with the statement I quoted.  It isn't a religious statement in this context.  But I suppose anyone under 40 might not know that depending upon what part of the country you come from.

As long as I'm at it.  For those of you that think taking a little puff now and again doesn't hurt anyone, you ought to visit a recovering drug addict or clinic.  Maybe take a look at the number of people killed by drug cartels along the Mexican border or speak to citizens that don't use but were robbed by addicts to get money to pay for drugs.  Maybe visit a parent that abused or killed their children while high on Meth.  Try visiting a family that lost someone in a traffic accident to a driver that was just a little high.  You're just wrong to believe taking a hit or a puff once in awhile doesn't harm anyone.  It does and I have lost more than one person in my life because of illegal drugs.  Anything that helps make money for the drug cartels and dealers does damage to your fellow citizens and Country.   Sorry for getting off topic a little but some of the comments on this thread really hit a nerve with me.

I'm sorry, but we aren't talking about meth, crack, pcp, heroin or cocaine here. Those are the drugs that destroy lives. I'm positive that any weed I might smoke does not come from any sort of cartel or even from across the border. And there are plenty of responsible ways to enjoy yourself without impacting others' lives. Climb out of your shoebox.

[ejimsmith]

  xxsoultonesxx said:

Originally Posted by xxsoultonesxx

I'm sorry, but we aren't talking about meth, crack, pcp, heroin or cocaine here. Those are the drugs that destroy lives. I'm positive that any weed I might smoke does not come from any sort of cartel or even from across the border. And there are plenty of responsible ways to enjoy yourself without impacting others' lives. Climb out of your shoebox.

rather than create some long diatribe on the ridiculousness of many comments i've just read.  i'll just say, i agree with this.

[Michael Phelps]

  alo1984 said:

Originally Posted by alo1984

HA!  Yeah he is a real class act outside of the pool.  What a winner!

Maybe you should stop looking through your window and take a look in the mirror.  Just remember, nobody is perfect.

[Michael Phelps]

  tmorg said:

Originally Posted by tmorg

Actually plenty of people dont like it cuz it makes people annoying to be around and lazy, and dont see an overall need to do it once they have done it a few times

Sure people can be annoying high, plenty of people can be annoying drunk to, plent of people are annoying sober.  To say that all pothead's are lazy is a pretty bold statement, it's like saying everyone who eat's at mc donalds is fat.

[Texian]

If you break the rules concerning drugs, you'll break them on the golf course.

You guys need to get into another sport with a more appropriate ethic--like stock car racing.

You know--"if you ain't cheatin' you ain't tryin'."

[Michael Phelps]

  ghalfaire said:

Originally Posted by ghalfaire

You're probably a lot younger than me but " Amen to that" means I agree with the statement I quoted.  It isn't a religious statement in this context.  But I suppose anyone under 40 might not know that depending upon what part of the country you come from.

As long as I'm at it.  For those of you that think taking a little puff now and again doesn't hurt anyone, you ought to visit a recovering drug addict or clinic.  Maybe take a look at the number of people killed by drug cartels along the Mexican border or speak to citizens that don't use but were robbed by addicts to get money to pay for drugs.  Maybe visit a parent that abused or killed their children while high on Meth.  Try visiting a family that lost someone in a traffic accident to a driver that was just a little high.  You're just wrong to believe taking a hit or a puff once in awhile doesn't harm anyone.  It does and I have lost more than one person in my life because of illegal drugs.  Anything that helps make money for the drug cartels and dealers does damage to your fellow citizens and Country.   Sorry for getting off topic a little but some of the comments on this thread really hit a nerve with me.

Lol man im 23, i knew exactly what you meant, i was just playing around.

Yeah there are def some drug addict's out there that will do some messed up things to get their drugs, i dont think anyone will deny that.  But people do messed up thing's for many reasons, what about money, or religion?  I think your forgeting, this thread is about herb, not crack, cocain, heroin, or meth, it's about a plant.  You say visit a parent that lost someone to a car accident because of a someone driving high.  What about all the people you see eating cheeseburgers driving down the freeway, or people talking/texting on their cell phone, both of those impare your judgment to.  When do you stop blaming the substance and start blaming the person, do blame smith and wesson because they make guns? I doubt it, infact id be willing to be you probably have a gun yourself, talk to some parents who have lost their kid because the kid found there parents gun and and shot themselves... Effecting the citizen's and our country? Im assuming your the average American Joe that has this entitled opinion that you are better then everyone else in the world because you are an American.  What about other countries that have been effected by our imperialistic ideaology? 90% of the casualties in Iraq are civillians, how do you think they have been effected by us?

I bet you would be surprised to know that it was infact our government who invented crack? The CIA to be specific.  Marijuana was made ileagle for a couple reason's, one because they wanted to deport African American's, Chinese Americans, And Mexican Americans back to their Native lands during the great depression.  The other was because mariuana/hemp can be used for hundreds of different things, anything from clothes, to building homes, to medicine.  The prescription drug companies and oil companies new they couldnt put a pattent on a natural plant at the time, so they created the most ridiculous scheme ever, reefermadness.

If you dont believe me look into the prescription drug known as Marinol, it is chemically the same THC.  If marijuana had no medicinal benefits then why would drug companies create a drug that has the same exact molecular structure as THC?

[Michael Phelps]

  Texian said:

Originally Posted by Texian

If you break the rules concerning drugs, you'll break them on the golf course.

You guys need to get into another sport with a more appropriate ethic--like stock car racing.

You know--"if you ain't cheatin' you ain't tryin'."

Not really..  I follow the rules of golf because i love the game.  I dont love the game because its a "gentelmens" sport.  So your telling me you follow every law known to man? Never speed on your way to the golf course? Never switch lanes without signaling?  If not man, your perfect and you should probably be on the right hand of god...

[jetsknicks1]

  walk18 said:

Originally Posted by walk18

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Originally Posted by JT SCRATCH

Too bad the law does not revolve around "in your mind." Alcohol may be more distructive, but its legal. That is part of the problem with this country is that people dont follow the rules. Rules/Laws are there for a reason, and regadless of whether or not you accept them, they are cut and dry, black and white. Remember that golf is a game of honor, just like in life you should be honorable, and obey the law.

Actually the problem in this country is people being unable to mind their business. For me, a few beers is what works, for someone else it's a smoke, what do I care? LOL do they suddenly gain morality as soon as they step off the plane in Amsterdam??

Life is short, judging others is not time well spent.

^^^This! If you don't want to smoke pot, than don't. If you don't want to drink alcohol, than don't. There are some here who really seem to be riding that high horse of morality. If somebody else wants to smoke some weed and it doesn't affect you, than what business is it of anyone?

[jetsknicks1]

  Texian said:

Originally Posted by Texian

If you break the rules concerning drugs, you'll break them on the golf course.

You guys need to get into another sport with a more appropriate ethic--like stock car racing.

You know--"if you ain't cheatin' you ain't tryin'."

That makes no sense at all. If somebody drives over the speed limit, will he also cheat on the golf course?

[ajschn06]

It's stupid when people lump weed into a group with drugs like meth, cocaine and whatnot.  Weed is much safer than even alcohol, nobody ever died from smoking too much weed.  I don't ever drink and drive, but in the highest I have ever been I would have been a better driver than I would be even after only 2-3 beers.  It may not be healthy but there are plenty of things people do that ruin their health.  That includes things like bad diets, not exercising, etc.  I quit smoking because of the cost, but it's something that definitely NEEDS to be legalized, and I'm sure it will be at some point in time.  If it was legal it would be more affordable and think about how important tobacco and alcohol sales are to the economy....BOOM...Roasted...

[meenman]

After reading this thread I have come to the conclusion that chances are, someone in my golf group is a closet stoner.

For those that think pot is nothing major and should be legalized - your time would be better spent working for candidates that agree with your feelings. You can post all you want about how it is better than alcohol and isnt that bad, but the fact of the matter is - it is illegal according to current laws and you should be locked up for using it.

[ajschn06]

So is speeding, which is probably more dangerous than marijuana as well..........I'm just saying, if you think about some of the things we ARE allowed to do, it's ridiculous to think that marijuana shouldn't be legal....

[ejimsmith]

  Texian said:

Originally Posted by Texian

If you break the rules concerning drugs, you'll break them on the golf course.

You guys need to get into another sport with a more appropriate ethic--like stock car racing.

You know--"if you ain't cheatin' you ain't tryin'."

straw man much?

[ejimsmith]

  meenman said:

Originally Posted by meenman

After reading this thread I have come to the conclusion that chances are, someone in my golf group is a closet stoner.

For those that think pot is nothing major and should be legalized - your time would be better spent working for candidates that agree with your feelings. You can post all you want about how it is better than alcohol and isnt that bad, but the fact of the matter is - it is illegal according to current laws and you should be locked up for using it.

actually, its not a illegal and many states, for medicinal puposes.  And if you use it for recreation and not medicine, in california,, you will not, as you say, result in being "locked up" but instead you get the equivalent of parking ticket.

just curious though, why do you think people should be "locked up for using it"?

[meenman]

  ejimsmith said:

Originally Posted by ejimsmith

actually, its not a illegal and many states, for medicinal puposes.  And if you use it for recreation and not medicine, in california,, you will not, as you say, result in being "locked up" but instead you get the equivalent of parking ticket.

just curious though, why do you think people should be "locked up for using it"?

The stoners on this board are not using it for *medicinal* purposes. Only a stoner would argue for the legalization of pot.

They should be locked up as any other criminal should be, You do not get to choose which laws to obey and which to ignore. If you dont like a law, work for its change. But while it is illegal, you should have to pay the legal consequences if caught.

As much as the stoners want to argue otherwise - pot is no different than any other illegal drug other than the fact that you really cant overdose on it. All drugs involve illegal trafficking and the support of criminal enterprise. You also can not argue the fact that pot is usually a stepping stone for those on the wrong track. Most teenagers dont start with coke or heroin - they build their way up to it.