Changing/cleaning your ball during a hole?

[johnthejoiner]

Originally Posted by Shorty

You're (note the apostrophe and the extra couple of letters thrown in there) missing the point.  It hasn't happened because it's an unenforceable rule. You don't know what has happened in other groups.

There are even strict requirements about the creation of local rules at golf clubs. This is ludicrous.  There is no such rule at any golf club for competitions at club level.

You're behaving as if there is some moral code that exists at your club, and there is an offensive, superior tone to your posts, even to the point where you appear to boast of having rules that exist nowhere else in the golfing world.  You seem to want us to think that your club is special.  It's clearly special in ways that make it a bit of a joke, if what you are saying is true.

The funniest thing about it is, is that you obviously have an ignorant membership, because noone seems to have made a fuss about this invention.

Your club may as well create a rule that insists that you use tees of a certain colour.

Please post a link to the club website where this is mentioned or a photo of the local rule on the scorecard. I'll bet you can't do it.

Not the old spelling mistake routine. The US English spelling is Y O U R  and i think its very disrespectful of you not to adhere to this, so i wont mention your spelling of the word COLOR

As for an unenforceable rule and you don't know what has happened in other groups, that would mean all rules of golf were unenforceable. Your job on the golf course in a competition is to make sure that all players in your group follow all the rules of golf for the protection of all competitors

[jamo]

Originally Posted by johnthejoiner

Not the old spelling mistake routine. The US English spelling is Y O U R  and i think its very disrespectful of you not to adhere to this, so i wont mention your spelling of the word COLOR

No. You used the word as a contraction for "you are," in which case the correct spelling is "you're" as Shorty said. So next time look at your (in that case it's not a contraction, so it's "your") post, and accept when you made a mistake before you mock someone's nationality.

[johnthejoiner]

Originally Posted by jamo

No. You used the word as a contraction for "you are," in which case the correct spelling is "you're" as Shorty said. So next time look at your (in that case it's not a contraction, so it's "your") post, and accept when you made a mistake before you mock someone's nationality.

If you can point out where i was mocking someones nationality i will remove it immediately

[jamo]

Originally Posted by johnthejoiner

If you can point out where i was mocking someones nationality i will remove it immediately

"Color" vs. "colour." Or am I inferring too much?

[Shorty]

If you can point out where i was mocking someones nationality i will remove it immediately

I am Australian. I actually wrote "colour" in that post, but that is beside the point. You assumed that I was American and insulted our American friends by your reference, as Jamo said, and you still don't know what a contraction is. Dear me. And......you are yet to explain why your club has invented a rule. Why not mention the club? I'll bet you don't. Where's the documentation to support this nonsense?

[max power]

Seriously?

Originally Posted by johnthejoiner

Not the old spelling mistake routine. The US English spelling is Y O U R  and i think its very disrespectful of you not to adhere to this, so i wont mention your spelling of the word COLOR

As for an unenforceable rule and you don't know what has happened in other groups, that would mean all rules of golf were unenforceable. Your job on the golf course in a competition is to make sure that all players in your group follow all the rules of golf for the protection of all competitors

[zeg]

Wow, this thread sure turned ugly in a hurry... Can't we all just get along?

There's no Rule of Golf with a capital R and G that says anything about a single ball.  There is an occasional condition of competition that says this, but that's not what we normally consider a Rule of Golf.  Apparently JtJ's club enforces that.  Unusual, but whatever.

I think this thread might have gone better had this tangent not been kicked off with the steaming pile emoticon.

[johnthejoiner]

Originally Posted by Shorty

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnthejoiner

If you can point out where i was mocking someones nationality i will remove it immediately

I am Australian. I actually wrote "colour" in that post, but that is beside the point. You assumed that I was American and insulted our American friends by your reference, as Jamo said, and you still don't know what a contraction is. Dear me.

And......you are yet to explain why your club has invented a rule.

Why not mention the club? I'll bet you don't.

Where's the documentation to support this nonsense?

http://www.lochendgolfclub.co.uk/

invented a rule ?

I find it very strange that a 3 handicapper would actually play in a tournament with more than one type of golf ball

[iacas]

Originally Posted by johnthejoiner

invented a rule  ?

I find it very strange that a 3 handicapper would actually play in a tournament with more than one type of golf ball

It's a condition of competition - not a "rule." That's why "invented a rule" makes some sense.

He also didn't say HE plays in a tournament with more than one kind of ball, just that he has not seen that rule in place. I haven't either, except, again, in local amateur tournaments (EDGA.org) or section PGA events. Haven't seen it in any club events.

[NEOHMark]

I haven't read the rules of golf in awhile, but IIRC the only time you can replace your ball is when damaged (as previously noted along with the lost and hazard scenarios), and can only be cleaned  before reaching the green, without penalty, when it is plugged in the fairway (Embedded ball rule).

[Ignorant]

Originally Posted by NEOHMark

I haven't read the rules of golf in awhile, but IIRC the only time you can replace your ball is when damaged (as previously noted along with the lost and hazard scenarios), and can only be cleaned  before reaching the green, without penalty, when it is plugged in the fairway (Embedded ball rule).

Obviously you need to read the Rules again...

[NEOHMark]

Originally Posted by Ignorant

Obviously you need to read the Rules again...

Obviously, you're a troll and would rather snipe than be helpful.  Care to 'enlighten' us all on what I got wrong.  That might actually make your comment productive, God forbid.

[trickymicky69]

I play with two of the same ball in the winter (i.e two pro v1's, from the same box) as do my playing partners

I swap them around sometimes every other shot because they get covered in so much mud, its quicker to do it this way.

I clean the other ball as I am walking so I dont hold up the play.

This would still be illegal though? Or not?

[NEOHMark]

Originally Posted by trickymicky69

This would still be illegal though? Or not?

Illegal.  If it were legal, every pro would clean their ball on every shot.  Who wouldn't want a nice, clean, perfect ball on every shot?  As far as whether or not your playing partners allow it?  Go for it if they do.

Just keep in mind, if you are tracking a handicap, you are biasing it by always playing a pristine ball while many of us play the ball - in whatever state of cleanliness - 'down' through the green.  It pretty much invalidates your hdcp as a comparison to others, IMHO.  Which would make it difficult to determine proper numbers of strokes allowed in a match/league/tournament (which will almost certainly force you to play the ball 'down').

[allin]

Originally Posted by iacas

It's a condition of competition - not a "rule." That's why "invented a rule" makes some sense.

He also didn't say HE plays in a tournament with more than one kind of ball, just that he has not seen that rule in place. I haven't either, except, again, in local amateur tournaments (EDGA.org) or section PGA events. Haven't seen it in any club events.

The history behind this is that players on professional tours were endorsing one ball,playing it off the first hole only, then changing balls.  There was concern that players would choose different balls with different spin characteristics depending on the hole.  I don't know if anyone was actually  changing balls by hole or not.

[trickymicky69]

I am only cleaning and replacing when playing under "winter rules"

[trickymicky69]

Originally Posted by NEOHMark

Illegal.  If it were legal, every pro would clean their ball on every shot.  Who wouldn't want a nice, clean, perfect ball on every shot?  As far as whether or not your playing partners allow it?  Go for it if they do.

Just keep in mind, if you are tracking a handicap, you are biasing it by always playing a pristine ball while many of us play the ball - in whatever state of cleanliness - 'down' through the green.  It pretty much invalidates your hdcp as a comparison to others, IMHO.  Which would make it difficult to determine proper numbers of strokes allowed in a match/league/tournament (which will almost certainly force you to play the ball 'down').

We don't play hanidcap golf when playing under "winter rules" either.

Too many mats and forward tees for that.

We don't clean and replace in the summer, when handicaps are always posted

[NEOHMark]

Originally Posted by trickymicky69

We don't play hanidcap golf when playing under "winter rules" either.

Too many mats and forward tees for that.

We don't clean and replace in the summer, when handicaps are always posted

Got it.  Yeah, I think as long as you don't post a score to your hdcp doing that, you're probably OK  Though I believe, technically, you're supposed to post EVERY round you play - even partial ones.  I suppose you could just call it 'practice'.

Our league starts around the first of April, so there are a few early-season rounds where the Grand Poobah of the league allows the league to "lift, clean, and cheat" in the fairway (his very words - as he's a High School golf coach, ha ha).  I just can't bring myself to do it.  I sometimes sub in another league where they allow fully a six INCH roll anywhere on the course - fluff your lie, get it away from the tree root, etc.  Then they crow over their beers about their single-digit hdcps. I can't bring myself to do it there either.  I'd feel dirty.