My Swing (Ernest Jones)

[EverythingGolf]

Nice work! Take a look at the images below. I want to show you a few things on how you take the club back and when getting it more on plane during the takeaway can make it easier to get the club more on plane during the down swing.

In the image above notice how Luke's club head is outside his hands and yours are inside.

At A2 you have the club way inside and Luke has his on the plane line from address and it is also parallel to the target.

[Ernest Jones]

Nice work! Take a look at the images below. I want to show you a few things on how you take the club back and when getting it more on plane during the takeaway can make it easier to get the club more on plane during the down swing. [URL=http://thesandtrap.com/content/type/61/id/119906/] [/URL] In the image above notice how Luke's club head is outside his hands and yours are inside. [URL=http://thesandtrap.com/content/type/61/id/119907/] [/URL] At A2 you have the club way inside and Luke has his on the plane line from address and it is also parallel to the target.

Thanks for looking! So should I be cocking my wrists earlier to keep the club head from going so far inside? How does that help on the DS?

[boogielicious]

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Originally Posted by EverythingGolf

Nice work! Take a look at the images below. I want to show you a few things on how you take the club back and when getting it more on plane during the takeaway can make it easier to get the club more on plane during the down swing.

In the image above notice how Luke's club head is outside his hands and yours are inside.

At A2 you have the club way inside and Luke has his on the plane line from address and it is also parallel to the target.

Thanks for looking! So should I be cocking my wrists earlier to keep the club head from going so far inside? How does that help on the DS?

I think @EverythingGolf is saying the opposite.  Going from A1 to A3, you are cocking your wrists too early and then the shaft is under plane. In the picture on the right, Luke's A2 is on plane.  He has barely cocked his wrists at this point. Doing it this way or even more delayed like Ricky Fowler can get you to the proper A4 position, which in turn helps you start the downswing in a better position.

One more add: in your first practice video, slow down the rehearsal even more.  I get antsy and speed up sometimes.  It doesn't help.  I would recommend practicing the takeaway so that A2 looks like Luke.  Go from A1 to A2, stop, then to A4 slowly, stop.  Then A4 to 5 to 6, stop.  Then pivot from 6 to 8 or 5 to 8 and hit a ball.  It will be just a little hit and you will miss sometimes (I did!) But it will help ingrain the positions.  As you get better at it, you can smooth out the stops, but still keep it slow.

I've been doing a version of this drill for about a year.  Stephan changes my stop point depending on what we a focusing on.

[iacas]

I think @EverythingGolf is saying the opposite.  Going from A1 to A3, you are cocking your wrists too early and then the shaft is under plane. In the picture on the right, Luke's A2 is on plane.

In this case it's not about the rates the wrists cock or hinge in this case (though since we measure 2 where the shaft his horizontal, the rate at which they hinge plays a role in WHEN we call it "2").

What @EverythingGolf is saying is entirely about the rate at which you roll your arms. Without hinging/cocking your wrist at all, or doing it a bunch, you can still roll your forearms and the club well under the plane at 2.

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That said, I don't agree that the club position at 2 is the primary concern here. It's not the biggest priority. Why?

Because though it's not "picture perfect" it doesn't affect too much.

As you can see, he's not doing the typical hacker thing of letting the club's momentum continue to carry it to the outside (red arrow). Instead, the club lays down about as it should following more in the direction of the green arrow.

(Obviously it would be ATROCIOUS if the clubhead actually followed the red arrow. I'm just saying that a club that's going to tip out because it was swung back underneath is steeper than one that lays down a little, and I don't see this as a big problem here.)

It looks good, Jason, but here's what I'd love to see:

Keep ripping your hips (not shown) and left shoulder (shown) FORWARD, UP, and LEFT. Rip them hard. Go at it with a little speed.

While you do that, the hands should feel that they continue to trace OUTward a little bit more.

You'll see those illustrated on the left. On the right, what you currently do: the shoulders stay closed, the hips stay closed, and the hands go down quite a bit. (You might want to back up from the golf ball just a little.)

[Ernest Jones]

In this case it's not about the rates the wrists cock or hinge in this case (though since we measure 2 where the shaft his horizontal, the rate at which they hinge plays a role in WHEN we call it "2"). What @EverythingGolf is saying is entirely about the rate at which you roll your arms. Without hinging/cocking your wrist at all, or doing it a bunch, you can still roll your forearms and the club well under the plane at 2. [rule] That said, I don't agree that the club position at 2 is the primary concern here. It's not the biggest priority. Why? Because though it's not "picture perfect" it doesn't affect too much. As you can see, he's not doing the typical hacker thing of letting the club's momentum continue to carry it to the outside (red arrow). Instead, the club lays down about as it should following more in the direction of the green arrow. (Obviously it would be ATROCIOUS if the clubhead actually followed the red arrow. I'm just saying that a club that's going to tip out because it was swung back underneath is steeper than one that lays down a little, and I don't see this as a big problem here.) It looks good, Jason, but here's what I'd love to see: [URL=http://thesandtrap.com/content/type/61/id/120006/] [/URL] Keep ripping your hips (not shown) and left shoulder (shown) FORWARD, UP, and LEFT. Rip them hard. Go at it with a little speed. While you do that, the hands should feel that they continue to trace OUTward a little bit more. You'll see those illustrated on the left. On the right, what you currently do: the shoulders stay closed, the hips stay closed, and the hands go down quite a bit. (You might want to back up from the golf ball just a little.)

Thanks Erik. Just starting to tie together the "swing right" and "hips hard left" feels. It's pretty counter intuitive.

[EverythingGolf]

I agree its not the biggest priority, but it may cause some problems with the longer clubs.

[Ernest Jones]

Well, my full swing is still a bit of a...ahem...adventure but, my short game is rounding into form quite nicely. I hit TWO flagsticks on Sunday!! Still shot a 92 but I'm liking my pitching early in the season. #sexxyknees.

[Jakester23]

Well, my full swing is still a bit of a...ahem...adventure but, my short game is rounding into form quite nicely. I hit TWO flagsticks on Sunday!! Still shot a 92 but I'm liking my pitching early in the season. #sexxyknees.

Nice round did either of them go in or just bounce of the stick and leave you make able putt?

[Ernest Jones]

Nice round did either of them go in or just bounce of the stick and leave you make able putt?

Well, keep in mind it was a par 64 exec. So the score would have been likely 100+ on par 72. Made both putts off the flagsticks. One was about 12' and the other was around 5'. Pitching and putting is pretty solid right now. I'm hitting a lot of great full swings but I'm also racking up a lot of penalties.

[Jakester23]

Well, keep in mind it was a par 64 exec. So the score would have been likely 100+ on par 72. Made both putts off the flagsticks. One was about 12' and the other was around 5'. Pitching and putting is pretty solid right now. I'm hitting a lot of great full swings but I'm also racking up a lot of penalties.

The penalties definitely hurt. Keep working at it. Having a solid short game definitely make the game more fun. Your full swing will catch up with your short game in the near future.

[Ernest Jones]

[EverythingGolf]

How did you hit the driver, did you miss left, right, etc?

[Ernest Jones]

How did you hit the driver, did you miss left, right, etc?

I only hit driver twice. One booming slice and one duck hook. Mostly I'm teeing off with hybrids which are either push draws or blocks with the occasional pull hook. Getting better at the outward path but face control is anyone's guess. Having fun though!

[Ernest Jones]

@iacas Erik, do you think opening my stance might help?

[billchao]

Getting better at the outward path but face control is anyone's guess. Having fun though!

You're starting to sound like me. Glad you're having fun, though.

[EverythingGolf]

Key#2 This is what Erik said in an earlier post - Keep ripping your hips (not shown) and left shoulder (shown) FORWARD, UP, and LEFT. Rip them hard. Go at it with a little speed. This is what I would work on.

[Ernest Jones]

Thanks guys. Guess I am the atypical hacker...I've got to be the only guy on this site whose priority piece needs to be worked on at full speed. Lol.

[14ledo81]

Thanks guys. Guess I am the atypical hacker...I've got to be the only guy on this site whose priority piece needs to be worked on at full speed. Lol.

Consider yourself lucky.  That sounds like fun.