Biggest problem on the golf course today?

[MrSandman]

Originally Posted by sean_miller

I'd personally say that taking issue with cargo shorts and t-shirts at a course where cargo shorts and t-shirts are considered acceptable attire makes one a golf nerd.

definitely

[MrSandman]

Originally Posted by Gresh24

Has nothing to do with regions.  It's simply that I don't need these employees to do anything for me and they effect my game in no way. I don't rely on any form of knowledge or exceptional service from those folks.   I could pay my money to a robot and get refreshments from a vending machince...

and you could live in a trailer part and claim that roof keeps the rain out of your house just as good as the guy with the nice house.  To each their own.  Your appreciation for quality is obviously less than others.

[bplewis24]

Originally Posted by RonTheSavage

Just so Im clear because now Im confused. You seem to have a major problem with cargo shorts but now you have a problem with golf nerds? You define a golf nerd in your poll as someone who dresses like a pro golfer. So Im supposed to shoot for some happy medium? Can you explain to me then what is acceptable dress on the course?

[bplewis24]

Originally Posted by MrSandman

Your appreciation for quality is obviously less than others.

You keep doing this.  You somehow think that you are classier or appreciate quality more than others who don't share your point of view.  I could probably spot you from a mile away if I saw you at a golf course.

[Spyder]

Originally Posted by bplewis24

IMO there are only 3 golf course problems: unrepaired divots/marks, slow play, and inattentive marshals or staff members.

The biggest problem I would prefer attention drawn to is divots/marks.  Why?  Because that's the only one that certainly only requires some level of effort to fix.  Slow play can be caused by a low skill level along with a lack of consideration.  Sometimes the inattentiveness of the marshals is due to other factors beyond peoples' control (like the course being understaffed or overbooked).

The rest of the poll options are no doubt things that have pissed some members off before, but I don't consider real problems.

I agree with all of this.

Also, @ MrSandMan - I wouldn't classify "that guy" as a golf nerd that has been discussed here, but no... I would rather not play with "that guy". The one that takes 7 practice swings, stands behind the ball again and points the club like babe ruth, lines back up to practice and then hits (basically an amateur version of Kevin Na). Or the guy that feels the need to be Faherty on the course and comment on everything. Sometimes I wouldn't mind leaving my putt short without a dumby telling the ball to "get there" or "grow some legs" when I'm several feet short lol. These types of guys are just an overall ass, not a golf nerd. A "golf nerd" to me would be someone who just sucks and buys top of the line equipment and irritates you to the point of insanity with his comments.

On a side note, who the hell cares about cargo shorts? I'd rather see khakis cargo shorts than jeans, t-shirts, cut-offs, or jorts (jean shorts). A golfer last weekend was asked to leave when he showed up in cut-off jorts.. not even seamed, with a blue tank top that had string shoulder straps on it. The funniest part was watching him argue his point while pulling a comb out of his tiny back pocket and slicking his hair back in the middle of it - you can't make this stuff up! I died laughing... I don't care what people wear but c'mon mann... that outfit is a crime from the 80s!

[trackster]

I think the biggest problem with golf is the discussion going on it this forum.  Honestly what are you women? (No offense if any of you actually are women) Who the hell cares what some one is wearing on the course.  I wear basketball shorts and a t-shirt when I golf, and guess what I am pretty darn good, and I play extremely fast.   Also why is staff ever a problem.  I actually enjoy when the staff stays out of my way and out of my round.  Maybe if we all worried about our rounds instead of someone else we would all play a little better.

[vo-man]

I'd vote for "overbooking and sending out five-somes" if that were on the list.  I'm not going to pretend to be the golf fashion and etiquette police and pass judgement on anyone who doesn't dress or act the way I do or the way I would prefer them to.  That just builds frustration and I sure don't need any more of that in my golf game.  :)  As far as 'biggest problems on the golf course today' the only problems I consider when I'm out there are within the realm of my own game against the course and how I can make it better.

[MrSandman]

Originally Posted by Spyder

A golfer last weekend was asked to leave when he showed up in cut-off jorts.. not even seamed, with a blue tank top that had string shoulder straps on it. The funniest part was watching him argue his point while pulling a comb out of his tiny back pocket and slicking his hair back in the middle of it - you can't make this stuff up! I died laughing... I don't care what people wear but c'mon mann... that outfit is a crime from the 80s!

I would have loved to see that.

[B-Con]

Slow play is the winner for me, but I hate smokers and drunks too. Slow play makes the game inconvenient and unbearable. But sharing a car with a smoker or drunk person can be very annoying. It may not be, but it can be.

[Gresh24]

Originally Posted by MrSandman

and you could live in a trailer part and claim that roof keeps the rain out of your house just as good as the guy with the nice house.  To each their own.  Your appreciation for quality is obviously less than others.

Not that it matters, but no I don't live in a trailer park.  I have a great appreciation for, and expect at times, very good service - at a restaurant for instance.  I'm still failing to see what services are expected and needed from a golf pro shop employee to play a round of golf.

You must just be one of those pretentious guys that needs to be 'stroked' by everyone that 'works for you' in every situation.  To each their own.

[MrSandman]

Originally Posted by Gresh24

Not that it matters, but no I don't live in a trailer park.  I have a great appreciation for, and expect at times, very good service - at a restaurant for instance.  I'm still failing to see what services are expected and needed from a golf pro shop employee to play a round of golf.

You must just be one of those pretentious guys that needs to be 'stroked' by everyone that 'works for you' in every situation.  To each their own.

Hey, if you don't get it, you don't get it.

Some people don't recognize what they are missing when they shop at Wal Mart.  Who am I to try to convince them otherwise?  I will not try to convince you either.  /end

[mirv]

i went with ball marks/divots.  at least a couple of times per round, i find my ball in a divot and/or have to repair half a dozen ball marks along my line on the greens.  slow play a close second for me, and music on the course comes in a solid third.

[Gresh24]

Originally Posted by MrSandman

Hey, if you don't get it, you don't get it.

Some people don't recognize what they are missing when they shop at Wal Mart.  Who am I to try to convince them otherwise?  I will not try to convince you either.  /end

All you had to do was provide one example of what it is you're talking about.  What is it that a great pro shop employee does for you that rids you of the biggest problem in golf today?

Instead you continue to talk down to people and act above everyone.

[NuclearMike]

Slow play for me.  I have a partner who likes to enter lots of data on his golf GPS and when he drives the cart as well it can really slow us down.  We do, though, let faster people through whenever someone comes up on us.  I don't mind wearing good golf clothes but I'm sure not a golf nerd, since I wear cargo shorts with golf shirts and hats.  Why should anyone care about the shorts if they're well-kept and the pocket flaps aren't wrinkled like I wore them to bed or just got them out of the dryer?  Just my opinion.

[ApocG10]

Originally Posted by MrSandman

oh, white belt is definitely golf nerd!  whatever though, to each their own.

what you could do to pull off the white belt without looking like a golf nerd is to mix up some other aspect.  Maybe throw on a bandana or wear your visor backwards or wear a real beat up golf shirt that will help show that you are not a complete nerd.

I have a white belt. As well as a double prong yellow rubber belt, and a Lime green one. Four pairs of Loudmouth Golf Pants, a couple of their gloves, I have a dozen or so Driver hats I wear as well.

I dont see how dressing well (if a little wacky), makes me a 'Golf Nerd', but whatever. I'd rather see a well dressed golfer join me on the tee than one in old run down clothes. Its not a guarantee, but usually the well dressed one takes his game a bit more serious.

That said, I have no problem with Cargo Shorts, I would never wear them (on or off the course), because I think I look a bit silly in them. My thick, hairless (I have Alopecia) muscular legs look STUPID in shorts. I just think if your closed are run down and stained, and you dont care about your appearance, chances are you dont care about your game either.

40$ gets you a new shirt and pants at Walmart. Nobody is asking you to spend hundreds on your golf wardrobe. But 3-4 shirts and pairs of pants can be had for 120$.

[Dave2512]

Originally Posted by MrSandman

Hey, if you don't get it, you don't get it.

Some people don't recognize what they are missing when they shop at Wal Mart.  Who am I to try to convince them otherwise?  I will not try to convince you either.  /end

If you truly believed this you wouldn't play at courses that allow cargo shorts and t-shirts. Places like that are the Walmart of golf. Can't have it both ways. Either you appreciate quality regardless of the cost or you don't. My experience is as green fees increase so does the quality of the pro shop, the staff, the grounds and everthing else. I don't have a bone to pick but I don't try to fool myself into thinking I'm at the club when I fork over $13 for a round. Reasonable expectation plays a part in everything we do.

[MrSandman]

Originally Posted by Gresh24

All you had to do was provide one example of what it is you're talking about.  What is it that a great pro shop employee does for you that rids you of the biggest problem in golf today?

Instead you continue to talk down to people and act above everyone.

I thought I did that.  Simple things, like the ability to communicate properly with the starter's booth.  How about just being able to properly accept the greens fees without taking forever, or to be able to do so in advance of your tee time instead of the exact time you are on deck to tee off?  Or to have a general golf awareness (who's winning the tournament today, a question often asked after a thursday/friday round).  How about them being able to re-grip a club properly?  Heck, you're lucky to find a pro shop staffer at a NYC municipal who knows enough to even let you demo one of the clubs (which often sit off in the corner, dusty, with the resonse, "ahhh, the pro has to be here to let you demo that club").  How about if they weren't simply overwhelmed when they have to ring up a greens fee and a merch sale for a few consecutive customers (double the cc slips, but that shouldn't slow them down).

Golf shops used to be staffed with people who had a little pride in their job, who knew what they were talking about, and who cared about the course.  Now you get a bunch of minimum wage old heads who don't know, nor do they care, about anything going on.  Major problem in today's game.

I actually give a lot of credit to the golf center's and other retail distributers that have stolen a lot of the higher quality employees away from the pro shops.  But it's not like golf center is paying these guys on par with college graduates.  Why not have the pro shops steal some of these guys back, stock up their pro shop, and bring some quality back to the green grass retail business (as well as making it a better experience for the golfer).

And if you truly do not understand this, or do not think it is a problem, then I view you in one of two ways:  (1)  you haven't experienced the dumbing down of pro shops, or (2) you don't know why people criticize shopping at Wal Mart.

[Spyder]

Originally Posted by MrSandman

Hey, if you don't get it, you don't get it.

Some people don't recognize what they are missing when they shop at Wal Mart.  Who am I to try to convince them otherwise?  I will not try to convince you either.  /end

I'm not sure this is even worth the time to continue at this point. You seem to lack logic/content to back your theories and opinions and you only provide snide little insults to people who question your stance. The problem is, you're not even egotistical. You're just trying too hard buddy.

You probably are the "golf nerd" that you continue to reference.