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Originally Posted by tecnicaskates

who is your chiropractor would be a more appropriate question?

you're an idiot

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I've been using concepts from the SnT swing pattern.  My lowest round since has been a 74 (+2).  And I typically average 76 to 78 for 18.  I'm hoping that is going to change as I get more focused on A5 to A8.

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What kinda rounds have you have since you switched to Stack and Tilt?

Have not tried an actual scoring round yet, because I am still healing from a shoulder injury. However, I anticipate much better performance. I have practiced it for two weeks every day 200 hits in the morning, 200 at night. NO injuries, and my shoulder is healing despite hitting so many balls. I will try scoring rounds starting in another two weeks. Maybe one week. Depends when the pain is completely gone. I am really glad I joined this forum.

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you're an idiot

Yes, but he's a scratch idiot. You're no slacker either. Why the difference in opinion? I am asking because I thought all scratch golfers pretty much have perfected their swings, and probably swing more or less the same way?

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Originally Posted by poser

you're an idiot

There's a significant number of people that think Stack & Tilt is fundamentally flawed, so while his delivery may not have been great, he's not out in left field.

However, that doesn't address the answer of scores.

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Handicap is currently around 8.8.  Which means lots of scores in the 81-85 range at my course.  A few have been a little better (high 70s) and a few have been worse (high 80s/low 90s).  Since converting to S & T, I have lowered my HDCP by about 3.

I don't think S&T; is flawed at all... it's a completely legitimate way to play this great game.

I have played 36 or 54 holes in one day several times this year.  I have two herniated discs and one bulging in my lower back for the last 25 years.  S & T has never made by back hurt in any way.  Actually, since switching to S & T, I have experienced no "episodes" of back pain.  Love it!

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Originally Posted by poser

you're an idiot

There's a significant number of people that think Stack & Tilt is fundamentally flawed, so while his delivery may not have been great, he's not out in left field.

However, that doesn't address the answer of scores.

Check out this article when you get a chance . It's about how the Stack and Tilt swing pattern is actually great for your back.

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[URL=http://johngrahamgolf.com/blog/what-golf-swing-easiest-on-body/]Check out this article when you get a chance[/URL]. It's about how the Stack and Tilt swing pattern is actually great for your back.

I agree with the assessment in the article. I am now hitting 400 balls a day. 100 of them really hard. No additional injuries. Plus, I am rehabilitating an injured shoulder.

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Switch to S&T; about two and a half years ago. Handicap has dropped about 6 strokes since then. The main thing is my scores are far more consistant. I don't have those "What the hell am I doing?" rounds anymore. Last three rounds 82, 80, 81.

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How is s&t; differ from adding lag. Seams like the same principle. Shifting mid section forward on down swing, creating a sharper angle of decent... Just seems coincidental and identical upon watching utube and reading instruction on both.
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Originally Posted by Lihu

Yes, but he's a scratch idiot. You're no slacker either.

Why the difference in opnion

I am asking because I thought all scratch golfers pretty much have perfected their swings, and probably swing more or less the same way?


Because I've used the pattern and my current swing has alot of similar moves as stack and tilt and have zero back pain.  O yea forgot to mention I had back surgery 2 years ago and my old traditional swing hurt my back the stack and tilt didn't

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Originally Posted by hanalei

How is s&t; differ from adding lag. Seams like the same principle. Shifting mid section forward on down swing, creating a sharper angle of decent... Just seems coincidental and identical upon watching utube and reading instruction on both.

Shifting the mid-section forward on the downswing actually creates a shallower angle of descent.

It's the "not moving your head way back" that helps golfers strike the ball solidly.

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I've only been playing two years, but S&T; methodology has clicked for me ... my swing is very simple & scores continue to drop.      When I do have occasional issues, I always go back to the S&T; core directives & it always gets me back in sync.    Funny, when I was in a driving booth at Golf Galaxy rcently, the head pro came over & told me the LAST thing you want to do is keep your head centered & weight forward - LOL.     Seems there will always be resistance to S&T; ...

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Originally Posted by inthehole

I've only been playing two years, but S&T; methodology has clicked for me ... my swing is very simple & scores continue to drop.      When I do have occasional issues, I always go back to the S&T; core directives & it always gets me back in sync.    Funny, when I was in a driving booth at Golf Galaxy rcently, the head pro came over & told me the LAST thing you want to do is keep your head centered & weight forward - LOL.     Seems there will always be resistance to S&T; ...

So what exactly does this head pro advocate? I know there is a lot of controversy surrounding the SnT weight shift but I thought a steady head was pretty much universal?

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Originally Posted by Ernest Jones

So what exactly does this head pro advocate? I know there is a lot of controversy surrounding the SnT weight shift but I thought a steady head was pretty much universal?

He said I'll never get any power without swaying back (at least with the driver) & promoting a big body shift forward.     I generate plenty of power for my game with S&T; mechanics (all my old back can handle) & anyways, thats the least of my worries - I'm focusing much more on mid iron and wedge accuracy lately ...

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Originally Posted by JetFan1983

Check out this article when you get a chance. It's about how the Stack and Tilt swing pattern is actually great for your back.

Not to rain on the  S&T; "scientific proof" parade, but as far as I see, "Dr. Troy Van Biezen" is a chiropractor, not an M.D.  You'll also note that even the S&T; advocates apparently were all careful to throw in the "if done correctly" qualifier.

My problem with S&T; is that from what I see, it works against your human anatomy.   Fighting your anatomy and gravity are losing battles.  Eventually your anatomy and gravity are going to win.

It also appears many of the pros who were trying it, have since abandoned it, though I may not be up to date about that.

But, if it works for you, more power to you.

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