Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0
power aid

wedge setup configuration

10 posts in this topic

I'm having a hard time figuring out my setup . mizuno 825 pros ,9i-41 pw-45, gw- 50. when do players actually abandon the iron set and then go with Cleveland's or vokies ? keep or drop the set pw-gw ? then if I have a wedge loft changed , it affects the bounce also. for example I would want a 55 so should if choose a 54 or 56 to have loft changed ? input appreciated
0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Sign up (or log in) today! It's free (and you won't see this ad anymore)!

Sign up (or log in) today! It's free (and you won't see this ad anymore)!

to me as long as all your wedges are the same brand and model, that's what matters the most, because its a consistant feel. I personally think cleveland and titleist are way beyond all other wedges, especially with options. Its crazy how technical wedges can get. I would go to Titleist website and look through there information on wedges, they got some good guidelines for setting up different wedge configurations.

Basically standard club changes are 0.5" on club length and 4 degrees of loft.

So if your PW is a 48, with a 35" shaft, your next wedge would be 52 with a 34.4" Now you can do the same bump, but usually you can keep the same shaft length and just go another 4 degrees of loft. but basically unless your messing around with clublength, 4-5 degrees will give a good gap.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

I agree with what Saevel25 says and what like to add.... If you were fitted for your 9i-4i then you also want the lie angle to match your irons. Saevel has already covered having the same shaft, bounce, length gapping, and degree interval,  in your wedges based off of your pitching wedge, which is why he recommends the same wedges but different lofts. Good Luck.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

4-5* between your wedges is a pretty big gap.  3* is more a more universally-accepted gapping.  If your set came with a 45* PW, I personally wouldnt go any weaker than 47* if you go with a blade-style wedges because its going to give you a huge gap between your 9-iron and PW.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

i am at least a 4 wedge setup . with all my irons sets I have had before I have always chosen to get the pw and gw to match the iron set and then whatever I choose for my sw and lw . usually cleveland wedges . is this common or would u say more choose to have all 4 wedges the same brand/model ? with the mizuno 825p would the pw and gw say have a little more forgiveness than say the cleveland rtx wedges ? by looking at my 4 wedge makeup, all cleveland rtx, I would have to have a 46 changed to a 45 , get a 50 , either take a 54 or 56 and changed to 55--, which way do I go here bend down or up ? , then a 60 . this is just to keep 5 degrees between my wedges .
0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

4-5° isn't bad depending on the manufacturer. 2-3° is good for higher lofted irons, but majority of irons are 4° difference with half a inch change in shaft length. For wedges you can run into the problem of having same shaft lengths, so 4° will give you a slight smaller gap, but its tough to gap 5° with traditional 4° being the standard for so long,

http://www.vokey.com/vokes-notebook/pages/wedge-fitting.aspx

Here is a good site for fitting wedges, and how Vokey goes about it.

Lets look at some common iron configurations

Mizuno's MP-64's

9-iron 42°

PW 46°

Mizuno JPX 825 Pro's

9-iron 41°

PW 45°

Callaway Razr XF

9-iron 40°

PW 44°

AW 49°

As you can see, they vary, manufacturers mess around with shaft lengths and clubhead design to allow them to get a range of lofts for the same iron labeling. This can get you if you compare similar irons, sometimes a 7 iron from one company might be half a club length more than anothers

But if we were to look at wedge profiles for these three, at least how i would go about it

Mizuno MP-64 - 50°, 54°, 58/60°

Mizuno JPX - 50°, 54°, 58/60° (this one is tougher because of the 5° gap, but you can always have these bent 1° stronger)

Callaway - 52°, 56°, 60°

Before the last decade majority of irons would have there PW be at 48°, that's why the common wedges would be Gap wedge at 52°, Sandwedge at 56°, and Lob wedge at 60°

But today you really got to look up your specs and match what you want to do. This is also personal preference on chipping style. If you are a shorter hitter, you might go for less wedges because you might need a few hybrids to extend your range. Or you might be a person who uses the hole bag to chip, like using a 5 iron for a chip and run, so you might go with less wedges, or you might be a one wedge chipper and forgo a lob wedge. Or you might like to have 4 wedges.

Basically it comes down to how your irons above your wedges are set up, and how what your style of game is. Figure those two out, and you can set up a solid wedge set.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Originally Posted by saevel25

Basically standard club changes are 0.5" on club length and 4 degrees of loft.

So if your PW is a 48, with a 35" shaft, your next wedge would be 52 with a 34.5"...

A couple of things to consider. The half-inch/4* is standard for your numbered irons, and delivers 10-12 yards difference between clubs for the average golfer. When you get into wedges, things change.

Make sure you look at the spec sheets for the irons, and specialty wedge model you're trying to patch in.

For wedges which match iron sets, you might end up with 1/4" difference between shaft lengths. Sometimes, the SW and LW will have the same shaft length.

For specialty wedges, you often drop to 1/4" length differences between wedge categories, or 1/8" in some recent Cleveland wedges. Less difference in shaft length means the distance between wedges will be less.

Club designer Ralplh Maltby discusses wedge fitting on his website: http://ralphmaltby.com/17

Most people go with a PW matching their iron set, and add in specialty wedges of a different brand and model, or different model.

Also, the iron may play hotter or softer than the specialty wedge. I carry a 46* X20 Tour PW.  This PW flies about 12 yards farther than my Cle CG14 50* GW, even though they have the same shafl length. The PW is a little hotter than the CG wedges.

Some people pick up a 6* loft gap at their PW, and may have a 42* 9i, and go specialty wedges in 48*, 54*, 60* so they can get by with three wedges. In this case, the 48* PW would match the SW and LW. (For example, all three Vokey or all three Cle CG).

Once you get the wedges, you can test them out to get a "yardstick" for how far each wedge flies on quarter, half and 3/4 swings.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

My MP57 PW is 47*, and I carry an additional 50, 54 and 58.  To be honest, I rarely use my 50* wedge and could easily drop it from the bag without effecting my game much if at all.  Most people keep the matching Pitching Wedge to their irons because typically they are played like a 10 iron and used for just full shots, and you go to the specialty wedges for anything else.

My Scratch 8620 D/D 58* is my favorite wedge I've ever owned, and I've got an entire bag of wedges here at the house from Cleveland, Mizuno, Vokeys and Snake Eyes.  Anything within 80 yards, it's my first choice unless I'm just off the fringe, where I'll use a 9 iron.  I like it so much that I am going to order a 50* and 53* to match and put my current Mizunos in the bag with the rest of them.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

if I were needed to have a wedge loft changed , say to 55 degrees , what should I use here a 54-12 or 56-14 ? changing loft would affect the bounce also , correct ? I'm not a big digger , and the sand here is typical sandbox crap .
0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

if I were needed to have a wedge loft changed , say to 55 degrees , what should I use here a 54-12 or 56-14 ? changing loft would affect the bounce also , correct ? I'm not a big digger , and the sand here is typical sandbox crap .

In your example it would make no difference. When you change the loft, you change the bounce by the same amount. If you increase loft you also increase the bounce, and vice versa. In your example you're going to end up with a 55-13 either way.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!


Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.


Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0



  • Want to join this community?

    We'd love to have you!

    Sign Up
  • 2017 TST Partners

    PING Golf
    Leupold Golf
    Snell Golf
    Talamore Golf Resort
    Lowest Score Wins
  • Posts

    • Right elbow in, swing is on plane, ball going straight.  That's what I'm looking for at this stage.  Next lesson is Thursday.  
    • Do not want to give his name out, but one of my clients is a former PGA tour player.  Easily the best player I have ever played with.  He was what you would call a journeyman on tour, but did win several millions of dollars and is not hurting these days.  The putter gave him issues or he would have done much better on tour because ball striking is definitely not an issue. Its interesting to watch someone at that level play the game.  Club selection, course management, shot making abilities, etc.  Its really cool to watch.    Makes me realize how much I do not know about the game, but I try and learn as much as I can when I have the chance to play with him.  
    • What's amazing is that this philosophy hasn't changed in more than 100 years. There are so many quick fix posts in every golf blog, it's amazing that the golf swing can seem so simple and yet is really difficult to do. Most people think how hard can it be to put a ball into a hole? The answer is "it's definitely not easy"  
    • a new number one from this event.  I think DJ could really stay at the top if he keeps his putter hot.
    • I think his distinction between swinging and hitting is quite blurry now. Dr Mann started with a definite no-go with regards mixing hitting and swinging but then he has slowly introduced options. Plus he has revised some of his original comments. example: 1. You must not cock your right wrist  Then  It is quite permissible to allow a natural cocking of  your right wrist,  especially if the arms are moving up a steeper plane than the shoulder plane. 2. You must keep your flying wedges intact. Then It is quite acceptable to palmer flex (bow)  your left wrist for stability purposes ( which breaks that intact flying wedge because it moves the clubshaft  to a shallower plane than if one hadn't palmer flexed) 3. The left arm is inert and is blasted away from the chest by the active pivot action Then I believe that the lead shoulder girdle muscles can be used to help release PA4 4. You must not use any hittting action with the right arm  Then The right arm can be used to synergistically assist the release of PA4  , PA2 and PA3  as long as it doesn't become a dominant factor which would be a 'Hitting' motion. So this means there can be some hit in the swinging motion but within limits (now that is quite a blurry definition). Its like experiment with your swing and find the right amount of swing and hit that doesn't cause timing problems with your swing ( so how does one figure this one out for each and every swing one does on the golf course- each swing will be slightly different depending on your intent?). 5. He talks about a pitch elbow position (in front of the right hip) for swinging while punch elbow  (more to the right side) for hitting but there is no mention about how this can be achieved with people who have different upper vs lower arm measurements and differing elbow movements. For example, I cannot pitch my elbow over my right hip by letting it lead in front of the hands , without having to do a major secondary tilt (head over my right foot). 6. Weight Shift - Apparently your COG position is retained up to impact but there are varying COP's depending on the individual golfer (ie. Bubba and others have less COP on their lead leg - rear foot golfers , while many others have significantly more COP on their front foot - front foot golfers). The theory behind this is using data from pressure plates that measure vertical forces but his explanation using ratios of body mass left or right of the COG line (from a face-one view) doesn't make sense. If your COG is in a constant position , then shouldn't there be equal body mass  ratios around the central vertical axis through that COG position?  When people talk about PRESSURE ,, then isn't that 'FORCE PER UNIT AREA' ? So a high COP doesn't necessarily mean there is more 'mass weight' over that area . It could actually mean the same 'mass weight' applied over a smaller area (ie. maybe on a smaller area of foot contacting the ground).  7. There is no mention of swing anchor positions and their relevant importance during address/setup.  For example, when I try and hit balls using the front 'one leg drill'  method - I cannot follow-through and fall backwards to keep balance. When I try and hit balls using the rear 'one leg drill'  method I am perfectly in balance. With feet together drill I can also just about keep in balance but I do feel more pressure on my rear leg into impact. This sort of proves that I my COG favours pivoting more towards my rear hip and I should set up at address to meet my biomechanical pattern. None of this has been mentioned my Dr Mann yet and I suspect he may have to revise all his papers and state a caveat saying that 'some' of his suggested swing instructions only applies to golfer that have specific biomechanical patterns. That if their elbows, 'hip joints' and wrist hinge movements are like 'this' or 'that' , then 'this' or 'that' specific instruction applies. That should take another 10 years to fully document and analyse by which time my knees, back and hips will be shot to pieces.
  • TST Blog Entries

  • Blog Entries

  • Today's Birthdays

    1. Danny The Pin Seeker
      Danny The Pin Seeker
      (19 years old)
    2. Rick_D
      Rick_D
      (67 years old)
    3. ScottHoganGolf
      ScottHoganGolf
      (31 years old)
  • Get Great Gear with Amazon