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Path not in-out, need to video putts more. Feeling needs to be way in-out. Feel ain't real.

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Think camera placement wasn't good for putt last time. Putting it straight on the putter head may be a better angle to judge its path. [video]http://youtu.be/PPc1oNeG0Gs[/video]

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Working so hard on R shoulder more over ball, neglected to video face on. This is a pretty good Mr. Havercamp. Not getting hips active. No up and forward. Lots of left?

Putting more into hips, but wrist, impact conditions terrrrrible.

Recalling laydown, motorcycle rev practice during winter, combined R shoulder over ball, active hips, shallow/motorcycle. Hips still saggy, but better. Less contrived, well, until 9. Fake it till you make it.

Still tipping under a little?

- Backswing - minimize arm runoff, extra wave.

- Lay down + rev.

- Right shoulder down/over/around.

- Hips feel like step forward drill and "popup"/jump.

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Lesson. Santa belly - get the belly pointing to target (probably a little higher) and bank trail foot. Hip motion / torso 7-8 look much better, no more sag. Head steadier post impact it seems as shoulders more rotation. Trail knee was doing Elvis Presley, kicking towards ball too much. The bank motion keeps that in check. Driver a little more rotational, complete finish.

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Keys #2 and #4. Getting used to feeling closer to ball on downswing and steeper upper body combined w/shallowing shaft on DS. Undoing years and years of straightening up is not easy.

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Keys #1 and #2, stay in inclination, shallow, "cover", weight forward.

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Great lesson with @pcombs21, worked on banking trail foot and staying in inclination.

 

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Trying to combine trail foot bank feel w/K#2 and not to think about stuff that's "baked in" like arm shallowing, "covering". Feels like more rotation going on so closing clubface more from 4. Flippy, so will try firing arms/hands faster next time. Starting to feel all the changes from lessons this year are "just happening", less mechanical, but still hard to turn brain off. In the FO video, could raise the belt more towards the end, get bat signal to sky.

 

 

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Changing the picture with @pcombs21, one season at a time. Staying in inclination much better, right knee not kicking out as much, downswing less steep, exit condition w/resp to shaft better. Getting there with the long clubs/driver.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ad7cAON7YpU

 

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Some variability in trail foot banking.

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Weakened trail hand grip. @iacas worked on this with me awhile ago, but R hand just wandered its way back. Need to get back to getting scrunchy, "cover ball"/head on wall while keeping grip change. Weight is going back around 4-5, need more key #2. With weakened right hand, feels a lot more motorcycle rev on the DS.

 

Recap of things learned this year:

Better use of camera - more 30fps vids, just a handful of 240 during each session. Hopefully better w/angles. 

Changed practice swing - range & course. Exaggerated hands forward too much, now practice swings closer to actual swing, but not always. Practice impact position better mimics actual impact position.

Shallowing not mastered, but very baked in and better at keeping it when combined w/body steepening moves.

More comfortable getting down to ball, feeling closer to it 6-8, but need to keep working on keeping "head on wall". Hopefully can work on it during off season.

Continue working on putting - path, decel, AE 1 finger reads. Chipping and pitching, didn't spend enough time - hope to work on this next season.

Much thanks to @pcombs21 for improvement and working w/me this year and the TST staff for all the ongoing tips, swing feels like it's on a really good path - didn't help matters by not playing enough this season, but will make up for it next year.

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Working on the crunch/cover. Getting more comfortable staying in inclination around A6, feeling closer to the ground between A6 and A8 feels less and less harrowing, more natural, not retracting the back.

 

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Watch your turning rates, too…

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27 minutes ago, iacas said:

Watch your turning rates, too…

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Thanks. Shoulders needs to be a little more rotated?

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19 minutes ago, nevets88 said:

Thanks. Shoulders needs to be a little more rotated?

Yup.

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To my eye the ball position is the difference between you and MVMAC

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47 minutes ago, collapse said:

To my eye the ball position is the difference between you and MVMAC

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Thanks. I tend to err on the side of ball too forward. I'll try putting it back a little.

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