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I like to chip... a lot. I feel like I have very good touch when it comes to those close-to-the-green shots...

Except when i skull it. I do this way too often from tight lies, ie. the apron of the green, hardpan, or a greenside area with crappy grass growth.

I know that I have to strike with a descending blow, but I still wind up thinning it a few times a around, and worm-burning it accross the green.

Is this all in my head? can i improve my technique? I do play the ball at my back foot to "ensure" a descending blow, mind you.

Thanks for your help

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Check this out

http://thesandtrap.com/t/39411/quickie-pitching-video

http://thesandtrap.com/t/65064/new-school-pitching

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Originally Posted by WalkTheCourse

I like to chip... a lot. I feel like I have very good touch when it comes to those close-to-the-green shots...

Except when i skull it. I do this way too often from tight lies, ie. the apron of the green, hardpan, or a greenside area with crappy grass growth.

I know that I have to strike with a descending blow, but I still wind up thinning it a few times a around, and worm-burning it accross the green.

Is this all in my head? can i improve my technique? I do play the ball at my back foot to "ensure" a descending blow, mind you.

Thanks for your help

Originally Posted by mvmac

Check this out

http://thesandtrap.com/t/39411/quickie-pitching-video

http://thesandtrap.com/t/65064/new-school-pitching

I second this.  They (mvmac and iacas) taught me this technique at a clinic earlier this year, and it has improved my play around the greens quite a lot.  The best part about it is that its easy.  Probably not as easy from a video than from live instruction, but it definitely works.  The key reason why it works and why it is preferable to chipping is that there is a lot of room for error because you're using the bounce.

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Try this out, but make it a very small motion for your chip shots. DON'T FEAR THE BOUNCE :p

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Great, while i found the video you guys beat me, three great minds think alike :p

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Check this out [URL=http://thesandtrap.com/t/39411/quickie-pitching-video]http://thesandtrap.com/t/39411/quickie-pitching-video[/URL] [URL=http://thesandtrap.com/t/65064/new-school-pitching]http://thesandtrap.com/t/65064/new-school-pitching[/URL]

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Fourthed.  Foured, Quadded.  Damn! What's the correct term!  +4.

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Tight lie chips: Another thing you can do is practice a putting stroke with a 7i or 8i. The iron's loft will pop up the ball enough to get it over the greenside scruff, but since it's a smooth stroke it shouldn't run off the back of the green.

A course I used to play frequently had several greens in low places. A rainy week in the summer would leave spots of hardpan around the greens because fungus started killing the actual turf grass. The assistant pro recommended the "7i putt" and it worked pretty well.

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