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http://thesandtrap.com/t/70158/my-swing-crim/54#post_1112125 - post #57

Go back to that swing if you can, then sign up for evolvr. Pretty please?

Who is your instructor? PM me please.

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Hahaha, well goddamn. Yeah this a Golf Tec guy, I got a really cheap deal where I get a few lessons but the main thing is I can use their flightscope (i think that's what its called?) whenever I want as long as I plan a couple days early. That's the reason I did the deal.

Anywho, @iacas , I'll PM ya the name, with my schedule I probably won't get the same instructor every time though.

Which swing should I go back to? the before or the after in that post? Or does it not matter, I suppose it's pretty much the same swing without the knee driving in.

I'll def look into evolvr (+ lowest score wins) soon, just got back from a major vacay, need to increase funds first. :-P

Thanks to everyone who took a look!

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Driving, so I'll just say "after."
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Just saw Evolvr is just $40/month. That's solid, I'll sign myself up at some point in May for sure.

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Just saw Evolvr is just $40/month. That's solid, I'll sign myself up at some point in May for sure.

Please do.  It has been a great tool for me in improving my swing the past few years.  It will be a much, much better help to you than what you are currently doing.

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Hoping to get signed up w/ Evolvr this week, anything I need to know? Or is it pretty self explanatory?

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Hoping to get signed up w/ Evolvr this week, anything I need to know? Or is it pretty self explanatory?

It's very self explanatory.

- Shane

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Alrighty, I'm signed up. Couple questions.

So do I just upload two swings? (One face on and one DTL)

Does it matter which club I use?

Does it matter which shot I use? Like should I use video of me hitting a nice shot...or a mediocre shot...or does it not matter?

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Alrighty, I'm signed up. Couple questions.

So do I just upload two swings? (One face on and one DTL)

Does it matter which club I use?

Does it matter which shot I use? Like should I use video of me hitting a nice shot...or a mediocre shot...or does it not matter?

  1. Basically, yes. Get good angles.
  2. Try to use a 6- or 7-iron for now. If you eventually want to do a driver-specific thing, do that. Or a wedge. Etc.
  3. What do you think?

That was more than a couple of questions. ;-)

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Basically, yes. Get good angles.

Try to use a 6- or 7-iron for now. If you eventually want to do a driver-specific thing, do that. Or a wedge. Etc.

What do you think?

That was more than a couple of questions.

1. Sweeeet

2. I'll use 6, I hit my 7 well, I think the 6 is the start of where my swing flaws really start to show in the longer clubs.

3. Had no idea. Sometimes i'm slightly OTT and sometimes not, I can usually feel the tempo difference between a bad and good shot too, didn't realize they looked the same though.

Semantics :-P

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Its been about 3.5 years since my first video! I've been trying to figure out this golf thing on my own via YouTube lessons and whatnot :), i did evolvr for a couple months (which was awesome) until my camera broke and i never bothered to get a new one. Anywho, i was on the local news today and they filmed my swing! Any thoughts on the quick clips? :D My ball striking has been very consistent but i still lack power. Club is 9 iron. Hopefully file attaches.

 

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5 hours ago, Crim said:

Hopefully file attaches.

Hi @Crim, do you have a youtube or vimeo channel? We allow uploading pics, but not videos. Glad to see you back in the video business though! It has definitely helped me make more sense of my game. 

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Here we go! Once again, striking has been crisp, ball goes where i want it to and swing path is a bit more on plane then ever before. I can work a fade and a draw with all my irons including 4 iron. I can only hit fades with woods and driver. I lack power. 7i 150, 4i 180, driver 225 yds. I assume i must not be truly be coming on plane and hitting glancing blows or something, i feel like im getting there though. Edit: im not the first guy in the red ;)

 

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How cool! Thanks for posting. "That's my dad!" was priceless.

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  • 5 years later...
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Was able to get my wife to the range to film a couple swings. been a long time since I’ve seen myself on video, sobering to think that my handicap has lowered and my swing hasn’t changed a ton. 
 

 

 

 

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You have to get way more body turn earlier in the golf swing. You got to near A3, and your torso hasn't turned as much, your hips haven't turned as much. You need to extend that right knee a lot more, and sooner in the golf swing. 

Just to get an idea of the motion used to bring the club back, and how you gain extension in your right side in the backswing. 

Something I like to do is, just use the momentum of the club. Give a slight quarter turn towards the target, let the clubhead go forward, then fling the club back and up with your torso turn. Your right hip should sink back as your right leg extends a bit. Using the momentum really helps take away thoughts of dragging the club, or doing other weird clubhead movements. 

 

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Thanks, @saevel25, so a combination of a deeper turn, earlier in the swing? I'll work on the drill you posted at the gym tonight. They have some bands there. I thought maybe i had to work on flattening the swing. 

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I'm guessing this is probably a good one for me as well.

 

 

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