Cannot hit wedges!

[nick1998bunker]

I cannot hit wedges! I feel as if there is something I am not doing right like attack angle at something. I also have the shanks with the short clubs and am trying to keep my weight back on my heels which is really killing my feel and the spinny cut I like to hit with them. I also feel as if I hit the ground and my club just looses all momentum, also having some spotty contact. How much of a divot should I be taking? I have a feeling it is just 1 thing I am missing and it will solve itself lol.

[saevel25]

Shallow out the attack angle. If the ground is stopping your club head, your way to steep.

[nick1998bunker]

Shallow out the attack angle. If the ground is stopping your club head, your way to steep.

Yeah I will try, I thought that was what I was doing but the divot wasn't very big and I was told to hit down with wedges so I was weary to go back

[saevel25]

Shallow angle of attack is still hitting down on the ball. Note, i did not say sweep the ball off the ground, or hit up on the ball.

[nick1998bunker]

Shallow angle of attack is still hitting down on the ball. Note, i did not say sweep the ball off the ground, or hit up on the ball.

Yeah I know I meant I was told to hit way down in it... Kind of hooding it

[mvmac]

Work on this drill.  Might even see some slight draws.  If the shot are a little cutty, might have to have the weight more forward at impact.  Will also help with what you're trying to do with the foot work.

[Tee2Trees]

When I start to lose it with the wedges, it can help to stand a little further away from the ball which should shallow you out.  Also beneficial to use a little bit of an outside-in cut swing.  Another problem sometimes related is flipping or scooping it way too high.  For this it helps to concentrate on using more wrist hinge to keep the club delofted.  Full wedge shots should be a part of everyone's practice, as distance control is probably even more dependent on technique here than with the longer irons.

[saevel25]

Yeah I know I meant I was told to hit way down in it... Kind of hooding it

Hooding an iron is a low, punch draw. It wont have nearly as much spin as compared with an open clubface. Hooding the iron delofts the club, which naturally brings in the leading edge more. This might cause you to have problems with the club digging into the ground if your angle of attack gets to steep.

When I start to lose it with the wedges, it can help to stand a little further away from the ball which should shallow you out.  Also beneficial to use a little bit of an outside-in cut swing.  Another problem sometimes related is flipping or scooping it way too high.  For this it helps to concentrate on using more wrist hinge to keep the club delofted.  Full wedge shots should be a part of everyone's practice, as distance control is probably even more dependent on technique here than with the longer irons.

Yes, standing to close can steepen the angle of attack. But, an outside to in can steepen the angle of attack as well. A draw swing, inside to out, tends to be more shallower of the two.

Unless your pitching the ball, full wedge shots are like any other regular iron shot. Weight forward, steady head, wrists are ahead of the ball at impact. From there its just doing what you want with the clubface and swing path. There's no secret on that. If your pitching, go with a shallower angle, and use the bounce of the club more.

[nick1998bunker]

Work on this drill.  Might even see some slight draws.  If the shot are a little cutty, might have to have the weight more forward at impact.  Will also help with what you're trying to do with the foot work.

I don't really want to hit a draw but will if I have to. Also about the footwork, I think what is causing it is my left knee snaps which clears my hips too fast. Will I loose much power if I slow down my hips to line up with my hands? [quote name="Tee2Trees" url="/t/70257/cannot-hit-wedges#post_903296"]When I start to lose it with the wedges, it can help to stand a little further away from the ball which should shallow you out.  Also beneficial to use a little bit of an outside-in cut swing.  Another problem sometimes related is flipping or scooping it way too high.  For this it helps to concentrate on using more wrist hinge to keep the club delofted.  Full wedge shots should be a part of everyone's practice, as distance control is probably even more dependent on technique here than with the longer irons. [/quote] [quote name="saevel25" url="/t/70257/cannot-hit-wedges#post_903299"] Hooding an iron is a low, punch draw. It wont have nearly as much spin as compared with an open clubface. Hooding the iron delofts the club, which naturally brings in the leading edge more. This might cause you to have problems with the club digging into the ground if your angle of attack gets to steep. Yes, standing to close can steepen the angle of attack. But, an outside to in can steepen the angle of attack as well. A draw swing, inside to out, tends to be more shallower of the two. Unless your pitching the ball, full wedge shots are like any other regular iron shot. Weight forward, steady head, wrists are ahead of the ball at impact. From there its just doing what you want with the clubface and swing path. There's no secret on that. If your pitching, go with a shallower angle, and use the bounce of the club more. [/quote] is there anyway to hit a fade? I prefer it with the wedges because I can get it to go high and spin. But if I have to hit the draw I will

[iacas]

I don't really want to hit a draw but will if I have to. Also about the footwork, I think what is causing it is my left knee snaps which clears my hips too fast. Will I loose much power if I slow down my hips to line up with my hands?

is there anyway to hit a fade? I prefer it with the wedges because I can get it to go high and spin. But if I have to hit the draw I will

Your ball will not appreciably draw or fade with a wedge. Furthermore, draws can and often do go higher with a draw than a fade.

[mvmac]

I don't really want to hit a draw but will if I have to. Also about the footwork, I think what is causing it is my left knee snaps which clears my hips too fast. Will I loose much power if I slow down my hips to line up with my hands?

is there anyway to hit a fade? I prefer it with the wedges because I can get it to go high and spin. But if I have to hit the draw I will

Or your left knee "snapping" is causing the hips to open too much too early I have yet to see someone hit it shorter by improving their Key #2 (weight forward at impact). Or are you talking about the drill?  The drill is meant to exaggerate the feel and work on mechanics.

Also, like Erik said, draws will tend to go higher than a fade.

[nick1998bunker]

Your ball will not appreciably draw or fade with a wedge. Furthermore, draws can and often do go higher with a draw than a fade.

[quote name="mvmac" url="/t/70257/cannot-hit-wedges#post_903378"] Or your left knee "snapping" is causing the hips to open too much too early [SIZE=13px];-) [/SIZE]  I have yet to see someone hit it shorter by improving their Key #2 (weight forward at impact).[SIZE=13px]   Or are you talking about the drill?  The drill is meant to exaggerate the feel and work on mechanics.[/SIZE] [SIZE=13px]Also, like Erik said, draws will tend to go higher than a fade.[/SIZE] [/quote] What will land and stop with more control? I feel like I can get a wedge to spin so I can hear it buzz and I can control it With a 5-10 yard fade. I guess it dosnt go as high but the draw goes farther with less spin I think. If I want to stick It close I hit a fade and if I want a little more out of it I hit a draw usually

[iacas]

What will land and stop with more control? I feel like I can get a wedge to spin so I can hear it buzz and I can control it

With a 5-10 yard fade. I guess it dosnt go as high but the draw goes farther with less spin I think. If I want to stick It close I hit a fade and if I want a little more out of it I hit a draw usually

Nick, for your sake, please do more listening and asking good questions than arguing and contradicting.

Mike and I might not always be right, but our batting average is a bit higher than yours.

Draws can go higher than fades, lower, or the same height. They can spin more, less, or the same. They can fly farther, shorter, or the same. It depends on a lot of things, but stop buying into the old wive's tales about how draws go farther, spin less, land less softly, etc.

You don't fade your wedges 5-10 yards. If you do, you're pretty bad.

[Brian W]

Nick, for your sake, please do more listening and asking good questions than arguing and contradicting.

Mike and I might not always be right, but our batting average is a bit higher than yours.

Draws can go higher than fades, lower, or the same height. They can spin more, less, or the same. They can fly farther, shorter, or the same. It depends on a lot of things, but stop buying into the old wive's tales about how draws go farther, spin less, land less softly, etc.

You don't fade your wedges 5-10 yards. If you do, you're pretty bad.

Eric

Does this go for more than wedges?  I feel like I get the same reaction from 8,9,P,G,S,L wedges.  Getting above that I can understand the fade vs draw more but I feel like I am hitting a much more accurate shot when I really pay attention to the fundamentals of the 5 keys in the previously mentioned clubs.  When I get to the longer irons is when I feel like what Nick was saying may hold more truth.

[iacas]

Does this go for more than wedges?  I feel like I get the same reaction from 8,9,P,G,S,L wedges.  Getting above that I can understand the fade vs draw more but I feel like I am hitting a much more accurate shot when I really pay attention to the fundamentals of the 5 keys in the previously mentioned clubs.  When I get to the longer irons is when I feel like what Nick was saying may hold more truth.

There's more curve with longer clubs (the other things remain true: you can hit the ball higher or lower or the same, etc.). This advice is specific to the shorter clubs.

[14ledo81]

Mike and I might not always be right, but our batting average is a bit higher than yours.

Touche'

A little bit for sure.

[nick1998bunker]

Nick, for your sake, please do more listening and asking good questions than arguing and contradicting. Mike and I might not always be right, but our batting average is a bit higher than yours. Draws can go higher than fades, lower, or the same height. They can spin more, less, or the same. They can fly farther, shorter, or the same. It depends on a lot of things, but stop buying into the old wive's tales about how draws go farther, spin less, land less softly, etc. You don't fade your wedges 5-10 yards. If you do, you're pretty bad.

I just want to know how to hit a fade with doing what y'all are suggesting. It seems like with what you are telling me it is easier to draw it. Sorry if I was unclear

[mvmac]

I just want to know how to hit a fade with doing what y'all are suggesting. It seems like with what you are telling me it is easier to draw it. Sorry if I was unclear

Again, you're not going to see a lot of curve with the wedges.  If you want to see some fade, just aim the body left like Couples and Trevino do.