My Swing (uno6518)

[uno6518]

I've been Playing Golf for: 2 years, then 3 off, and now back into it for a year

My current handicap index or average score is: High 90's

My typical ball flight is: Push draw, straight, pull hook

The shot I hate or the "miss" I'm trying to reduce/eliminate is: Pull hook, push

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Videos:

Working today at the range. This was the first time I've done video on my swing, and looking at it is pretty wild--still processing what I see. I've been trying to work 5SK keys 1-3 drills for the past few months. I would appreciate any comments on the swing and where my biggest flaw/area to work on is.Thanks so much!!

PS

I just realized how I tossed my club down at the end of the first video. I don't even know what that was about, it was so nice out :)

[mvmac]

Couple things I see.

- Make sure the left hand grip isn't in the palm of your hand.  Would like it to look similar to this pic, heel pad on top and running through the fingers.

- With the pivot you actually tend to over-rotate.  What happens is the right shoulder starts to retract behind you and kind of throws off your sequencing.  Would recommend checking out this drill.

[uno6518]

Couple things I see.

- Make sure the left hand grip isn't in the palm of your hand.  Would like it to look similar to this pic, heel pad on top and running through the fingers.

- With the pivot you actually tend to over-rotate.  What happens is the right shoulder starts to retract behind you and kind of throws off your sequencing.  Would recommend checking out this drill.

Thank you for the input. The grip for me is so easy to get lazy with, and lazy is letting it get into my palms. I need to form a good habit in the pre-swing.

I had seen this drill before, but it definitely views differently now looking at my pivot next to it. Taking a couple of dry swings with this in mind, it feels tons different, and I can feel how much I let my right shoulder retract back--it's crazy. It's like it's my way of making myself feel like I'm getting a full turn, but then ends up with that hitch at the end.

I really like the feel described by Erik at the end, where he talks about feeling that pressure point in the mid-arm. That feel/thought worked with my in the dry swings, and I'll look forward to taking this to the range and drilling the hell out of it. Thanks again!

[mvmac]

I had seen this drill before, but it definitely views differently now looking at my pivot next to it. Taking a couple of dry swings with this in mind, it feels tons different, and I can feel how much I let my right shoulder retract back--it's crazy. It's like it's my way of making myself feel like I'm getting a full turn, but then ends up with that hitch at the end.

Exactly, well said. Really spend some time with this drill/feel and you'll see improvements in contact because the arms will be in sequence with the motion of the body.

[uno6518]

Just reposting yesterdays video after finding this slopro app

[uno6518]

Exactly, well said. Really spend some time with this drill/feel and you'll see improvements in contact because the arms will be in sequence with the motion of the body.

Between rain and going to the ATT, today was my first day on the range to hit balls with this bit. I have been taking lots of dry swings and lots of mirror work in the house to get the feel going, and it was nice to take it out there today. On the range, I typically hit lots of push draws, and miss with pushes. With the feel of keeping pressure points, this turned into lots of dead pushes initially. No problem--kept working it, lots of pausing and rehearsing in between, and eventually my flight turned into straight to straight-cut. Out of my 100-120 balls, I literally only hit 2 push draws, where typically that is my dominant ball flight (the last 4 months anyways). There were also, of course, the 15-20% uglies (for me, mostly fat and the occasional cold shank).

There was a point where I started really struggling to pair this with a straight left wrist at impact for some reason (something I have worked a lot on). I didn't want to be working on two things at once, but fortunately, the pressure point feel is a little easier to get into auto-pilot after a few good rehearsals, and then focus more on straight left wrist. This turned those pushes and push cuts into dead straight. When both were going, the contact felt fantastic.

I really love this feel. Between keeping the pressure point in my upper arm and also the pressure points with my elbows, the sensation is this nice "coiled" feeling. I will hopefully get some video of this over the weekend (broke the iphone--d'oh!), and post to see how it looks when actually hitting balls.

[mvmac]

There was a point where I started really struggling to pair this with a straight left wrist at impact for some reason (something I have worked a lot on). I didn't want to be working on two things at once, but fortunately, the pressure point feel is a little easier to get into auto-pilot after a few good rehearsals, and then focus more on straight left wrist. This turned those pushes and push cuts into dead straight. When both were going, the contact felt fantastic.

I really love this feel. Between keeping the pressure point in my upper arm and also the pressure points with my elbows, the sensation is this nice "coiled" feeling. I will hopefully get some video of this over the weekend (broke the iphone--d'oh!), and post to see how it looks when actually hitting balls.

Awesome, good stuff.

[uno6518]

Working on my trail elbow staying "inside-the-seam" on the backswing. It doesn't look very different from last time looking at it, but it's definitely slightly better when checking from a posterior view. Gotta develop a feel that translates to this move better.

One thing I've noticed is that my backswing is initiated mostly by two different feels, depending on where my head is at. One way is with feeling my shoulders "sliding" back, which this swing is an example of. Another that I noticed tonight, is more of a sharp turn, with the left shoulder dropping more quickly. This feeling seems to get me better ball contact, and also makes a more pronounced difference in how my right shoulder/elbow look when trying to work on the drill from above. It also feels like I have much more room when I make my downswing. That being said, it's very tough to feel this every time, and I end up sliding.

Does that make any sense to anyone?

[mvmac]

Working on my trail elbow staying "inside-the-seam" on the backswing. It doesn't look very different from last time looking at it, but it's definitely slightly better when checking from a posterior view. Gotta develop a feel that translates to this move better.

Yeah the right elbow change is nice, good job with that. I like how this downswing piece has changed as a result, notice the shaft is just above the right forearm, that's good.

One thing I've noticed is that my backswing is initiated mostly by two different feels, depending on where my head is at. One way is with feeling my shoulders "sliding" back, which this swing is an example of. Another that I noticed tonight, is more of a sharp turn, with the left shoulder dropping more quickly. This feeling seems to get me better ball contact, and also makes a more pronounced difference in how my right shoulder/elbow look when trying to work on the drill from above. It also feels like I have much more room when I make my downswing. That being said, it's very tough to feel this every time, and I end up sliding.

Does that make any sense to anyone?

I think the shoulders feeling like they work more up and down might be a good feel for you, help you keep the pivot a little "tighter". If anything it looks like you rotate a bit too much, than extra bit doesn't really give you any additional benefits, may even hurt your sequencing.

[freedrop]

A common theme with many of the swings here on "my swing" are a shut face at the top,an appearance that the shoulders are leading the swing and unusual foot work not giving the target leaning bias needed from address.Sorry but I see all this in you.I believe you have some fundamentals that need checking.

[billchao]

A common theme with many of the swings here on "my swing" are a shut face at the top,an appearance that the shoulders are leading the swing and unusual foot work not giving the target leaning bias needed from address.Sorry but I see all this in you.I believe you have some fundamentals that need checking.

Do you have any examples backing up this statement or is it just something you read in five lessons? If the things you stated are fundamentals, why don't all tour pros do them?

[freedrop]

Do you have any examples backing up this statement or is it just something you read in five lessons?

If the things you stated are fundamentals, why don't all tour pros do them?

billchao....I merely stated my impressions of many swings on this thread.....I did not say they were fundamentals,they are the result of fundamental flaws.There are many many pro swings that are not classic yet work,the complexities of these swings could fill volumes,the idea is to simplify things ,not take exceptions and use them as the standard model.

[iacas]

You were asked to give reasons or provide more to "back" the statements you make. Let's see how you do…

A common theme with many of the swings here on "my swing" are a shut face at the top

First, there are PGA Tour players with shut faces at the top. There are some with open faces. You can play good golf from either position. More importantly, this is @uno6518 's swing thread, not the general place to comment on all swing threads.

And it's one thing to say "you've got a shut face" - it's another thing entirely to know whether it's important at all, and then what causes it, and then how to resolve or improve it.

an appearance that the shoulders are leading the swing

I'm not even sure what that means. Clarify, but only if you feel it applies to THIS person's swing.

unusual foot work not giving the target leaning bias needed from address.

Not sure what that means either. Clarify, but again, only if you feel it applies to THIS person's swing.

billchao....I merely stated my impressions of many swings on this thread.....I did not say they were fundamentals,they are the result of fundamental flaws.

You have never explained yourself.

It was said repeatedly in the "who is" thread that you can gain respect by explaining your thoughts. You're just saying things. You're not giving any reasoning behind the things you say. If the reasons are "I read it somewhere once" then you should at least say that, because though that's incredibly WEAK reasoning, at least it's more than you've given here.

There are many many pro swings that are not classic yet work,the complexities of these swings could fill volumes,the idea is to simplify things ,not take exceptions and use them as the standard model.

There's no model. Golfers improve if they improve one of the Keys. The word "simple" is right in how we teach, so I agree that simplifying is important.

You've not done that. You've said "you're shut, your shoulders lead, and you have unusual footwork." That doesn't simplify - it confuses. It obfuscates.

Information provides clarity, and clarity and understanding are forms of simplicity as well.

[freedrop]

iacas...you have stated you don't want instruction from me but observations seem to be acceptable.That is what I have stuck to.

[iacas]

iacas...you have stated you don't want instruction from me but observations seem to be acceptable.That is what I have stuck to.

I don't believe I've ever said that, nope.

I believe I have said (as have others) that you should back up what you say. You've failed to do so here. Nor have you prioritized - you just listed three things that, in your mind, are "wrong."

[freedrop]

I simply noted uno6518 needs to check his fundamentals.I assume the membership understands what is meant by fundamentals.

[iacas]

I simply noted uno6518 needs to check his fundamentals.I assume the membership understands what is meant by fundamentals.

1. You didn't "simply note" that he needed to check his fundamentals. You made a sweeping remark about many people's swings and listed three things specifically. Three things on which you were asked for clarification, and have - as usual - provided none.
2. There are a variety of "fundamentals" and definitions for "fundamentals." To some, the grip is one. I would argue that it's "fundamental" but not a commonality. Aim is another. Where you aim matters, but where you aim varies by the type of player you are (Lee Trevino aims well left, Snead aimed right). The list goes on.

I'm not up for playing word games with you when you're screwing with the golfers I care about. I've said that before. You're on your last straw.

[uno6518]

I think the shoulders feeling like they work more up and down might be a good feel for you, help you keep the pivot a little "tighter". If anything it looks like you rotate a bit too much, than extra bit doesn't really give you any additional benefits, may even hurt your sequencing.

Thanks! I will try to exaggerate the elbow move a bit more, but also just really start taking swings at 75% or less to quit with that over rotation. It's much tougher to do than I feel like it should be.

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Originally Posted by freedrop

I simply noted uno6518 needs to check his fundamentals.I assume the membership understands what is meant by fundamentals.

Leaving a few very specific ideas without clarification or suggestions on how to get there isn't really instruction, especially if you are going to then assume that a beginner, even on this forum, knows what to do with that. These myswing threads are great because the people on this site are happy to help golfers get on a good path with a good plan. Beyond just the golf swing X's and O's on this site, there are a lot of great teachers , and much to learn about giving quality instruction.