kronus/iron factory wedge? thoughts?

[handlez42]

Recently I've been looking into forged wedges. I currently have macgregor VIP forged. Which are made by golfsmith with pre-2010 grooves. I like forged. And unique wedges. Only wedges by big names I'm interested in are mizuno and cleveland wedges. But Jim Kronus from "iron factory" is a well reputed refinisher.

Anybody playing either kronus or iron factory wedges?

[mvmac]

Do you want something similar to you VIP irons or a forged club that's more forgiving?

[handlez42]

I want something similiar. No strange cavity back wedges. I'm a feel kind of player so how the VIPs feel is actually quite exceptionally good.

[mvmac]

I want something similiar. No strange cavity back wedges. I'm a feel kind of player so how the VIPs feel is actually quite exceptionally good.

Callaway wedges are also good and they're forged (forged vs cast doesn't really make a difference). Just make sure you get enough bounce.

[handlez42]

Unfortunately I do see the difference. I bought a 50* Vokey sm4 and didn't realize it was a cast club. Kindve incredible that brand new the things are 145?? My only indication of a good hit is flight and a suggested sound. But to me every shot feels like a mishit. Very firm, if not harsh. I also have trouble with short game distance control with it as well as trajectory. I usually never have issues with that. I do like the new K grind vokey. But I could do that with any wedge. Too expensive again. I do like the newer callys. They look incredible

[billchao]

Unfortunately I do see the difference. I bought a 50* Vokey sm4 and didn't realize it was a cast club. Kindve incredible that brand new the things are 145?? My only indication of a good hit is flight and a suggested sound. But to me every shot feels like a mishit. Very firm, if not harsh. I also have trouble with short game distance control with it as well as trajectory. I usually never have issues with that.

Sounds to me like every shot feels like a mis-hit because you are mis-hitting that club. It might just not be the club for you for whatever reason, but I doubt it's because of how it was manufactured.

I have forged blades where practically every shot I hit feels like a mis-hit and cast cavity-backs where almost every shot feels like sweetspot contact. It's the design of the clubs that causes it and has very little to do with being forged or cast.

[Mr. Desmond]

Kronus had some EPA issues in Escondido about 10 years ago.

[handlez42]

Sounds to me like every shot feels like a mis-hit because you are mis-hitting that club. It might just not be the club for you for whatever reason, but I doubt it's because of how it was manufactured. I have forged blades where practically every shot I hit feels like a mis-hit and cast cavity-backs where almost every shot feels like sweetspot contact. It's the design of the clubs that causes it and has very little to do with being forged or cast.

With all do respect, I know how to hit a wedge. And cavity backs are meant t felt well struck in a larger area, hence the cavity back. Forged are firmer. But a cast blade wedge to me and even firmer still. I wouldn't post on a forum a question unless I knew ahead of time I could hit the club in question. Now onto the question. Does anybody have any forged wedges, or have hit kronus wedges in question, and can suggest a good traditional forged wedge. And to be fair nike was a mid level golf company 10 years ago and is now one of the titans in the industry. Recent info is most important

[billchao]

With all do respect, I know how to hit a wedge. And cavity backs are meant t felt well struck in a larger area, hence the cavity back. Forged are firmer. But a cast blade wedge to me and even firmer still.

I wouldn't post on a forum a question unless I knew ahead of time I could hit the club in question. Now onto the question. Does anybody have any forged wedges, or have hit kronus wedges in question, and can suggest a good traditional forged wedge.

And to be fair nike was a mid level golf company 10 years ago and is now one of the titans in the industry. Recent info is most important

I didn't say you don't know how to hit a wedge. I said it sounds like you're mis-hitting that particular wedge.

Good luck with your search.

[handlez42]

Understood. And all I have to say is that I have mishit and hit this club pure. There is not, in my opinion, much difference in feel. Very firm. No real sense of accomplishment after contact. Different circumstances in forged. This is an age old argument.

[iacas]

Understood. And all I have to say is that I have mishit and hit this club pure. There is not, in my opinion, much difference in feel. Very firm. No real sense of accomplishment after contact. Different circumstances in forged. This is an age old argument.

Forged or cast is pretty much irrelevant these days.

Vokeys - cast Vokeys - are the #1 wedge in play on the PGA Tour IIRC.

[mvmac]

Vokey, Cleveland, TaylorMade and PING, all cast wedges and used by the majority of tour players. Even though the clubs are cast they're still pretty darn soft.

Vokey talking about how even the tour players can't tell the difference.

http://www.titleist.com/teamtitleist/b/tourblog/archive/2010/11/15/bob-vokey-your-questions-answered-part-ii.aspx

BTW just saw this.

http://www.oobgolf.com/content/the+wedge+guy/golf+equipment/5-2908-Cast_vs_Forged_The_Real_Truth.html

Quote:

In the 1980s, blind tests were conducted with tour players, having them hit identical unbranded irons – some cast, some forged, but all made of the same material and featuring the exact same muscle back design. None of them could tell the difference!!!

[Shorty]

I want something similiar. No strange cavity back wedges. I'm a feel kind of player so how the VIPs feel is actually quite exceptionally good.

Not only have you totally fallen for the forged "feel" myth, you also do not understand what a "feel player" is. It isnt' just "feel players" that like clubs to feel good at contact.

"Feel players" are less concerned about technical things than some other golfers. It has nothing to do with how a club "feels"

Your problem, though you deny it, is that your contact is poor. The fact that you think the new "Callies look incredible" shows that your are barking up the wrong tree.

The forged v cast argument has been won and lost a thousand times. Tour pros do not play forged wedges, so I can promise you that your search should be aimed at getting sound mechanics and not forged wedges. The feel of a mishit is exactly what you are feeling; a mishit. Any Callaway, Cleveland, TM, or Vokey wedge will feel good with a correctly executed shot. Thinned shots will feel thin. Really, with a properly hit wedge, you shouldn't be feeling much at all.

[Mr. Desmond]

There are many factors in choosing a wedge today, but forged v cast is not one of them.