What is the purpose of life?

[Duff McGee]

Well I sent that giant block of copied and pasted text to an actual bible scholar and this was the response: "Holy crap that's some high-octane idiocy right there

[14ledo81]

What?? You can't get off that easily. Example: I sent this thread to someone I know. They told me "boy that @Duff McGee guy is a real arrogant prick. I wouldn't debate with that level of stupidity anymore." Before anyone gets upset, these are not my words. Sorry, I don't think that flies. If you feel a certain way, and want to say it, own it......

[Duff McGee]

What?? You can't get off that easily. Example: I sent this thread to someone I know. They told me "boy that @Duff McGee guy is a real arrogant prick. I wouldn't debate with that level of stupidity anymore." Before anyone gets upset, these are not my words. Sorry, I don't think that flies. If you feel a certain way, and want to say it, own it......

Ok, fair enough I guess. Hey did you read all that material that proves the Quran is the one true holy book of god? They have "tons of predictions that have come true" as was stated above. Edit: also, with the millions of miracles god has apparently done throughout the millennia, I wonder why even one of those has not been verified. For some strange reason it always involves people claiming things happened. God must have created us to try to hide from us. That makes some sense. Oh but he did give us one piece of evidence: a book written in the Bronze Age where people didn't know what the sun was and has been proven false at just about every turn. I mean, who cares if the people that actually wrote the bible had never actually met Jesus and the one book that the others copied (Mark) was written at least 4 decades after Christ's apparent death and never originally had the resurrection in his gospel. Sounds reasonable.

[9wood]

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Originally Posted by Duff McGee

@9wood

Shorty has asked repeatedly for ONE piece of actual evidence for the existence of your god.

You said there are tons of pieces of evidence so let's hear one please.

See post 101 in this thread

Lastly I challenge you to find any post in which I stated; "there are tons of pieces of evidence"

[9wood]

You are completely missing the point here. The people you listed did not commit those crimes in the "name of atheism". PleSe get that through your brainwashed skull. Hitler was an artist but it doesn't mean you can say artists are horrific evil people. Do you understand that? Lenin, Stalin, Mao didn't have any care that their victims were religious they killed anyone they choose for other ridiculous reasons but not out of "atheism". However, Islam, and many others in the past and present, tortue and execute SOLEY BASED ON A RELIGIOUS BASIS. Do you understand that? Atheist aren't spread all over TV begging for money from blind and foolish people. Atheist aren't telling you they can cure your illnesses if you come to their church and donate. You'd love to debate? Why don't you research the atrocities that have been done and are being done by religious fanatics FOR THE PURPOSE OF A RELIGIOUS IDEOLOGY, compared to those FOR THE PURPOSE OF ATHEISM, not just picking out horrible people from years ago who happen to have been atheist as well. Why can't you understand the difference? You could list many things those horrible leaders had in common and make a childish connection that that is why they did what they did. Gary Ridgeway, Jeffery Dalmer, Ted Bundy, John W. Gacy all serial killers .....and hey! They all went to church and believed in God. So what does that say? NOTHING. Why? Because they didn't murder people out of a religious ideology. They murdered out of a sociopathic disorder. You're losing ground quickly.....

Wrong

Stalin established state atheism, and then went about torturing and killing those who would not convert to state atheism and the atheist propaganda. Therefore when someone tells you the atrocities committed by Stalin were not done in the name of atheism you can be absolutely sure that that person is either ignorant or being dishonest.

[Duff McGee]

Wrong Stalin established state atheism, and then went about torturing and killing those who would not convert to state atheism and the atheist propaganda. Therefore when someone tells you the atrocities committed by Stalin were not done in the name of atheism you can be absolutely sure that that person is either ignorant or being dishonest.

Serious question here: have you ever taken a logic course in school? The reason I ask is that, if you have, you see why it doesn't matter that atheists have done bad things, right? You realize that just because there have been bad atheists that it actually 0% helps any God claim, right? Does an evil atheist existing help prove that there is a unicorn God floating in outer space controlling our every move?

[9wood]

Evolution doesnt need a beginning, it just is.

Also vent research is a possibility on origin of life with the mixture of extremely high temperatures in water mixed with rock at the bottom the ocean. As vents first arrive diatoms and other single celled organisms will form on the inside of the vent. They can take the energy from sulfides and convert it to organic energy that surrounding ecosystems can use. How is this relevant? Bc it doesnt need sunlight to exist. Its a possible explanation, but only that so far.

To say evolution "just is" is nothing more that meaningless tautology. If evolution doesn't have a beginning, then evolution is a tree without a trunk. You can't have evolution unless you can trace the ancestry of every living thing back to the first living replicating cell from which all other life forms then arose. And you cannot get the first living cell from non-living matter. Life only comes from pre-existing life. Abiogenesis has never been observed. On the other hand, biogenesis is an observable science

[9wood]

Serious question here: have you ever taken a logic course in school? The reason I ask is that, if you have, you see why it doesn't matter that atheists have done bad things, right?

You realize that just because there have been bad atheists that it actually 0% helps any God claim, right? Does an evil atheist existing help prove that there is a unicorn God floating in outer space controlling our every move?

The atheist says; "there is no God" and must therefore necessarily believe that all living things originally created themselves from nothing. Something coming from nothing has never been observed and is therefore unscientific.

My view says an uncreated, eternally existing, all-powerful being caused everything to come into existence.

It takes a whole lot more faith to believe the former over the latter view.

I just don't have enough faith to be an atheist

[9wood]

I am trying to have a dialogue, but you refuse to engage.

Again - why are you so offended that people ask for extraordinary evidence to support extraordinary claims?

Pleas - I am more than happy to be convinced.

Do you not think it strange that a "belief" held by millions can not be justified by ANY of them?

Sort of like waiting for an atheist to produce evidence how life originally arose from non-living matter even though science with all their sophisticated equipment haven't been able to accomplish what they believe came about by some freak unrepeatable accident. But hey, if you have no evidence you just wave your magic wand and say, millions and billions of years ago ... when you hear that then hang on because you are about to be told a fairy tale.

[Duff McGee]

The atheist says; "there is no God" and must therefore necessarily believe that all living things originally created themselves from nothing. Something coming from nothing has never been observed and is therefore unscientific. My view says an uncreated, eternally existing, all-powerful being caused everything to come into existence.  It takes a whole lot more faith to believe the former over the latter view. I just don't have enough faith to be an atheist

Again, this is an ignorant statement. Why are you making statements that are completely void of fact like this? Atheism is the lack of a belief in a god. Atheism doesn't make the claim "there is no God." It is the lack of a belief in a god. You are making a positive claim: "there is a god." All we are asking for is evidence. One little piece. Yet you have given nothing.

[tefunk]

This thread needs more Yoga pants to lighten up the mood a little. You're welcome.

She needs to hit the gym... Not quite there yet

[phillyk]

She needs to hit the gym... Not quite there yet

Hey yo!! I like that just the way it is! Aint nothing wrong!

[Shorty]

Sort of like waiting for an atheist to produce evidence how life originally arose from non-living matter even though science with all their sophisticated equipment haven't been able to accomplish what they believe came about by some freak unrepeatable accident. But hey, if you have no evidence you just wave your magic wand and say, millions and billions of years ago ... when you hear that then hang on because you are about to be told a fairy tale.

Wow. You're more than a match for me. Yes - it's pretty embarrassing how we have to rely on the likes of Einstein and Stephen Hawking to explain in laymen's terms what would otherwise take months to understand, given the vast amount of literature that exists to explain how it happened. Makes much more sense to believe in talking snakes, virgin mothers and dead men walking. That is perfectly logical and repeatable, isn't it?

Still waiting, by the way. Just one thing that would support your stance. Not two, just one will do.

[Valleygolfer]

What?? You can't get off that easily. Example: I sent this thread to someone I know. They told me "boy that @Duff McGee guy is a real arrogant prick. I wouldn't debate with that level of stupidity anymore." Before anyone gets upset, these are not my words. Sorry, I don't think that flies. If you feel a certain way, and want to say it, own it......

I'd say if you are posting it, they're as good as your words. If you don't like what they are saying, call them names and take your ball and go home? It looks like he's done more than a little studying on this subject and I don't see any trolling going on. Just making the opposers uncomfortable.

[Mr. Desmond]

I'd say by the looks of this thread that

the purpose of life is to discuss/argue/harangue  the purpose of life....

and contemplate yoga pants..

[14ledo81]

[quote name="14ledo81" url="/t/84340/what-is-the-purpose-of-life/180_20#post_1199063"]What?? You can't get off that easily. Example: I sent this thread to someone I know. They told me "boy that @Duff McGee guy is a real arrogant prick. I wouldn't debate with that level of stupidity anymore." Before anyone gets upset, these are not my words. Sorry, I don't think that flies. If you feel a certain way, and want to say it, own it......

I'd say if you are posting it, they're as good as your words. If you don't like what they are saying, call them names and take your ball and go home? It looks like he's done more than a little studying on this subject and I don't see any trolling going on. Just making the opposers uncomfortable.[/quote] I assume you are directing this at me (you quoted me). Read the post I was responding to.

[Ernest Jones]

@Duff McGee Your last couple of posts are total cop-outs. I'm a "non-believer" too, although I do believe in the broader aspects of most religions which could and should be boiled down to "thou shalt not be an arsehole". I'm staying out of this debate simply because, like you, I'm not about to dedicate a large chunk of my time reading and refuting claims such as the ones posted by @bunkerputt . I do, however respect my Christian amigos on this site and believe they respect my heathen self as well. And seeing as I have no intention of investing the time to properly debate this I am opting not to at all, out of respect. The way I see it, if I'm going to tell them that their religion (whatever it may be) is poppy-cock, I owe them the courtesy of more than, "I'm not going to take the time to rebut all the crap you just posted, but I am going to unilaterally declare it to be all bunk." That's a cop-out. Either have the debate or don't, but to do it half assed is no better than simple name calling.

[Gator Hazard]

Off to church so that I may pray for the souls of all the heathens in this thread.