Need help with right (trailing) elbow on the downswing

[mvmac]

15 minutes ago, billchao said:

As I understand it, the small muscles are reactive to the big muscles, not the other way around. Learning to keep the elbow folded through the swing will likely cause other compensations that need to be fixed, because the arms extending are not the root cause of the problem.

Kinda depends on the player but yeah most of the time you're correct. 

@Dave325, when your torso changes it's inclination so drastically from address to impact, it's going to have an effect on what your arms are doing. I posted in your swing thread.

Good players also don't "maintain" the bend in their right arm. It still has some flex at impact but it's in the "act of straightening". 

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21 hours ago, billchao said:

As I understand it, the small muscles are reactive to the big muscles, not the other way around. Learning to keep the elbow folded through the swing will likely cause other compensations that need to be fixed, because the arms extending are not the root cause of the problem.

Learning to move the body properly will eventually "teach" the arms to be in a different position.

Bilchao I appreciate you are voicing an opinion on what sequentially may make the golf swing work,with big muscles leading the way.But all I would say in this regard is look at the swing change Butch Harmon had Ricky Fowler make and what was leading the way...not big muscles.

[JonMA1]

33 minutes ago, collapse said:

Bilchao I appreciate you are voicing an opinion on what sequentially may make the golf swing work,with big muscles leading the way.But all I would say in this regard is look at the swing change Butch Harmon had Ricky Fowler make and what was leading the way...not big muscles.

@collapse... would it be fair to assume that Ricky Fowler wouldn't need help with the "big muscles" as much as he might with the "smaller muscles" (because he's a pro)? Whereas higher handicappers would have a greater need to improve on the foundation of their swing?

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27 minutes ago, JonMA1 said:

@collapse... would it be fair to assume that Ricky Fowler wouldn't need help with the "big muscles" as much as he might with the "smaller muscles" (because he's a pro)? Whereas higher handicappers would have a greater need to improve on the foundation of their swing?

JonMA1....Bilchao said-" the small muscles are reactive to the big muscles,"............but Butch didn't get RF to change any big muscle action to produce small muscle changes....he just changed small muscle actions.....they worked alone needing no big muscle help.

[billchao]

42 minutes ago, JonMA1 said:

@collapse... would it be fair to assume that Ricky Fowler wouldn't need help with the "big muscles" as much as he might with the "smaller muscles" (because he's a pro)? Whereas higher handicappers would have a greater need to improve on the foundation of their swing?

@collapse this would be my response to you. Rickie Fowler isn't a 20, his changes are much more minute.

[mvmac]

12 minutes ago, billchao said:

@collapse this would be my response to you. Rickie Fowler isn't a 20, his changes are much more minute.

Right and @collapse, how do you know what Rickie is feeling to make these changes?

You can't use one example of a tour player (who already owns all 5 Keys) and apply it to everyone. There are also plenty of examples of pros that have made "big muscle" changes to fix "small muscle" mistakes.

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5 minutes ago, mvmac said:

Right and @collapse, how do you know what Rickie is feeling to make these changes?

You can't use one example of a tour player (who already owns all 5 Keys) and apply it to everyone. There are also plenty of examples of pros that have made "big muscle" changes to fix "small muscle" mistakes.

I don't know anything about what RF is feeling...just going by the visual changes that can be seen.

[mvmac]

5 minutes ago, collapse said:

I don't know anything about what RF is feeling...just going by the visual changes that can be seen.

Exactly, you don't know what muscles he's feeling to make his changes.

[Dave325]

On December 12, 2015 at 0:18 PM, mvmac said:

Kinda depends on the player but yeah most of the time you're correct. 

@Dave325, when your torso changes it's inclination so drastically from address to impact, it's going to have an effect on what your arms are doing. I posted in your swing thread.

Good players also don't "maintain" the bend in their right arm. It still has some flex at impact but it's in the "act of straightening". 

Thanks Mike.... Great information.  And observations on the posting. I'll be working on those concepts you pointed out. I appreciate it. And thanks to everyone that contributed to this post. I have a lot of good feedback to chew on and suggestions to work on for awhile. Much thanks!

[Dave325]

On December 12, 2015 at 7:00 PM, SavvySwede said:

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I have one of these training aids and it works pretty well. (Just look at my profile pic.)

Thanks for tip here, Savvy. I ordered one of these and just got it today in the mail. I'm looking forward to working with it. Thanks!