Hole by Hole or Total (ESC) score entry

[pganapathy]

Posting hole by hole is only really useful where you want access to the info to help improve your game or in a tournament tie where you score by countback.  Most clubs only want the total scores to be able to handicap you correctly

[Fourputt]

15 minutes ago, pganapathy said:

Posting hole by hole is only really useful where you want access to the info to help improve your game or in a tournament tie where you score by countback.  Most clubs only want the total scores to be able to handicap you correctly

As mentioned earlier, some golfers just never seem to get the hang of ESC adjustment.  Hole by hole does it for them.

[mcanadiens]

I do post hole by hole. As mentioned, it lets me not think about ESC. Also there are some statistical reports that the software lets you look at. I find those reasons enough to do it.

 

[Dormie1360]

23 hours ago, Rulesman said:

Please do John

You have PM.

[Rulesman]

[Fourputt]

6 hours ago, Dormie1360 said:

You have PM.

So you figure the rest of us don't care?

[Dormie1360]

6 minutes ago, Fourputt said:

So you figure the rest of us don't care?

Pretty much.   

Not much that hasn't been said already.

 

The Kentucky Golf Association does not have any actual statistics, however they felt the number of golfers posting hole by hole was low.  A couple of reasons why it IS done.

1) The club needs data for allocating hole handicaps.

2) Younger golfers do it to accumulate stats on their game.

Posting via GHIN.com or via their smart phone app will only allow ESC scores.  If you sign up for "eGolfer" at Ghin.com you can post hole by hole as well as putts, etc.  College kids use this a lot to research their stats.  The downside, there is no starting database of course information.  The player will have to initially setup the courses they play putting in yardages, par, etc.

It was also mentioned they see more hole by hole posting via TPP (Ghins tournament program)

 

 

 

 

[rogolf]

Conclusions that I see for Rulesman:

1.  reporting hole by hole is not a requirement in North America

2.  the percentage of scores reported hole by hole in North America is very low.

[Rulesman]

That is my conclusion.

[Fourputt]

6 hours ago, Rulesman said:

That is my conclusion.

I guess the friend you had the discussion with got some bad information.

[Rulesman]

1 hour ago, Fourputt said:

I guess the friend you had the discussion with got some bad information.

It would seem so. The worrying thing is that they are either on or closely connected to the group discussing the world wide handicapping system. 

[Dormie1360]

34 minutes ago, Rulesman said:

It would seem so. The worrying thing is that they are either on or closely connected to the group discussing the world wide handicapping system. 

The person who I talked to, who has had gone to a national meeting concerning the changes, did mention changes involving hole by hole data.  I didn't quite understand the context, as we were also talking about changes involving course ratings with the new handicap system, but I have no doubt there are going to be significant changes on this side of the pond.

Can't wait to see how long that thread will be. 

[Fourputt]

45 minutes ago, Dormie1360 said:

The person who I talked to, who has had gone to a national meeting concerning the changes, did mention changes involving hole by hole data.  I didn't quite understand the context, as we were also talking about changes involving course ratings with the new handicap system, but I have no doubt there are going to be significant changes on this side of the pond.

Can't wait to see how long that thread will be. 

Boy, ain't that the truth.  If something so simple as requiring one to play with at least one other person is such a strain, what happens if they actually have to have the score attested?  It could get interesting.

[David in FL]

29 minutes ago, Fourputt said:

Boy, ain't that the truth.  If something so simple as requiring one to play with at least one other person is such a strain, what happens if they actually have to have the score attested?  It could get interesting.

The more complex the actual process becomes, the fewer people that will opt to participate in the handicap system itself.  That worries me too....

[Dormie1360]

16 minutes ago, David in FL said:

The more complex the actual process becomes, the fewer people that will opt to participate in the handicap system itself.  That worries me too....

We'll have to wait and see, I really don't know what the new system will be like. I have to admit my priority or goal  would be a system that produces the most accurate handicaps possible.  If it means an extra minute at the computer, or a smaller number of rounds posted, I'm ok with it. Whatever the new system is, I hope golfers are not turned off.

I'm sure all involved are trying to come up with a "better" system.  They can always tweak it.  Been doing that with golf rules for quite a while.

[Rulesman]

The vibes suggest there will be a few options to suit local needs/preferences.

[Fourputt]

2 hours ago, David in FL said:

The more complex the actual process becomes, the fewer people that will opt to participate in the handicap system itself.  That worries me too....

It never stopped anyone who needed to establish a handicap back before that requirement was dropped.  Have we as Americans become so fearful of change that we would eschew getting a handicap if such a requirement was put in place?  Or have we as a society become so lazy that we can't make the small amount of effort needed to join the rest of the world.  Are we so egocentric that we will take our ball and go home if we don't get our own way?

[David in FL]

1 hour ago, Fourputt said:

It never stopped anyone who needed to establish a handicap back before that requirement was dropped.  Have we as Americans become so fearful of change that we would eschew getting a handicap if such a requirement was put in place?  Or have we as a society become so lazy that we can't make the small amount of effort needed to join the rest of the world.  Are we so egocentric that we will take our ball and go home if we don't get our own way?

Wow, that's gotta be way back.  When was that? I don't remember ever having to enter hole by hole. 

Regardless, I don't know if it "stopped" anyone or not, but it does seems to me (just my gut feel that could certainly be wrong) that more people actually have handicaps now than did back in old "enter it in the book" day.  Maybe in part because of the ease of doing so.  Even now, as easy as it is to obtain/maintain a real hcp, we still see, even on a site like this, a lot of otherwise avid golfers who choose not to do so.  As a huge hcp system advocate (I know you are too) I just hope any added complexity doesn't drive people away from the system....or give them yet another reason to not to even start in the first place, because sadly, you're right, there's a lot of laziness out there!

As for "joining the rest of the world", I'm a big fan of a unified system, but I'm not understanding how that relates to the net esc score vs HBH entering of scores into the system.  The score, and the impact to the hcp index remains the same regardless of how it's entered.  What am I missing?