+1 penalty for OBs and lost balls?

[cutchemist42]

I always love to check out the GameGolf rounds thread, and without calling anyone out, Ive been noticing a trend. Let me also say I understand how the "proper" rule is supposed to work for these situations.

However, I see lots posting a +1 for these penalties but shouldnt these actually be +2 if you're not going to reshoot properly? I also know from my friends they give themselves a +1 penalty and take their third shot from where they think it crossed into the trees or into the rough. I play these situations as a +2, and thats if I dont shoot a provisional but find out I lost the ball.

Is +1 or +2 the right penalty when not playing by the proper rules? Do i have this confused?

Edited June 13, 2016 by cutchemist42

[krupa]

If you're not using game golf, it's a +1 penalty.  So if the ball goes OB off the tee, it's 1 for the shot, +1 for the penalty, and the ball you're teeing up will be your 3rd stroke.

GameGolf, however, only records one actual shot.  So for OB and lost balls, you add +2 penalty to the shot that went OB or got lost. for the same end result.

[Mugs050]

Sometimes you lose the ball that should be found. So instead of playing the proper rules and re teeing or re hitting your previous shot I just take a +2 drop. This keeps the pace of play which I think is one of the most important aspects of recreational golf. I have had friends who play +1 and it can be frustrating when your playing for money. When in these matches I fight that moral battle of wanting to play by the rules but also not short shifting myself on the match. Usually I just call them out on it and try to get them to play as honest as possible. 

At the end of the day if you want to sand bag yourself by taking a one stroke penalty instead of two it will show up when playing in tournaments or against players who play by the rules. 

[Lihu]

5 minutes ago, cutchemist42 said:

I always love to check out the GameGolf rounds thread, and without calling anyone out, Ive been noticing a trend. Let me also say I understand how the "proper" rule is supposed to work for these situations.

However, I see lots posting a +1 for these penalties but shouldnt these actually be +2 if you're not going to reshoot properly? I also know from my friends they give themselves a +1 penalty and take their third shot from where they think it crossed into the trees or into the rough. I play these situations as a +2, and thats if I dont shoot a provisional but find out I lost the ball.

Is +1 or +2 the right penalty when not playing by the proper rules? Do i have this confused?

Usually, OB is shown by either a replayed shot + a penalty or 2 strokes with only one shot recorded.

Could you show a specific example without showing the names of the potential perpetrators?

One thing I would like to be able to do is put comment on every shot if I choose to explain such occurrences, or take a picture of the ball OB or whatever.

[cutchemist42]

3 minutes ago, krupa said:

If you're not using game golf, it's a +1 penalty.  So if the ball goes OB off the tee, it's 1 for the shot, +1 for the penalty, and the ball you're teeing up will be your 3rd stroke.

GameGolf, however, only records one actual shot.  So for OB and lost balls, you add +2 penalty to the shot that went OB or got lost. for the same end result.

Yep, which is what I do, but have been confused by some doing +1 off of tee shots and thought that didnt add up. I was pretty sure I was doing it right with a +2, no matter how much it hurts to see that haha.

[xcott]

I don't mind taking OB as a lateral hazard to keep pace of play moving along. I try and play a provisional, but it seems silly to send someone back to the tee when a drop near the ob is probably in many ways a bigger penalty than re-teeing.

[Lihu]

3 minutes ago, cutchemist42 said:

Yep, which is what I do, but have been confused by some doing +1 off of tee shots and thought that didnt add up. I was pretty sure I was doing it right with a +2, no matter how much it hurts to see that haha.

+1 tee shots could be from a lateral. However, I always try to add the penalty to the stroke I'm about to make from the drop.

[krupa]

9 minutes ago, Mugs050 said:

Sometimes you lose the ball that should be found. So instead of playing the proper rules and re teeing or re hitting your previous shot I just take a +2 drop.

I don't know why but I really hate doing this.  I do it, but I hate it. So when it happens I stop keeping score and I don't publish my GG round publicly or include the holes I already played in my GG stats.  If the Android app had a "don't upload" button, I would use it.

Edited June 13, 2016 by krupa

[Lihu]

19 minutes ago, cutchemist42 said:

I always love to check out the GameGolf rounds thread, and without calling anyone out, Ive been noticing a trend. Let me also say I understand how the "proper" rule is supposed to work for these situations.

However, I see lots posting a +1 for these penalties but shouldnt these actually be +2 if you're not going to reshoot properly? I also know from my friends they give themselves a +1 penalty and take their third shot from where they think it crossed into the trees or into the rough. I play these situations as a +2, and thats if I dont shoot a provisional but find out I lost the ball.

Is +1 or +2 the right penalty when not playing by the proper rules? Do i have this confused?

BTW, forgot to mention that this is not correct. You need to go and re-tee or play the shot again. Distance is often worse than taking an extra stroke.

The worst case is to just screw the hole and take the expected hole score given your handicap as an unfinished hole. Possibly ESC if that is where you were headed.

[cutchemist42]

9 minutes ago, Lihu said:

Usually, OB is shown by either a replayed shot + a penalty or 2 strokes with only one shot recorded.

Could you show a specific example without showing the names of the potential perpetrators?

One thing I would like to be able to do is put comment on every shot if I choose to explain such occurrences, or take a picture of the ball OB or whatever.

No specific examples, and this isnt exclusive to GG but with friends as well. An extreme example I had was playing with 4 friends. 1 hits fairway but still bogeys. 3 of us find the same woods and drop from there. (I actually found my ball on the fringe of the woods and would have played it had I found it before the drop)

I play the hole from there with a 7, including the +2. Friend finishes it in 5 as well, but says he's a 6 as its a + penalty. I acknowledge no one played it properly with a provisional, but I think +2 captures the penalty better.

3 minutes ago, Lihu said:

BTW, forgot to mention that this is not correct. You need to go and re-tee or play the shot again. Distance is often worse than taking an extra stroke.

The worst case is to just screw the hole and take the expected hole score given your handicap as an unfinished hole. Possibly ESC if that is where you were headed.

When you do this in GG, would you simply exclude the hole, if you didnt play the provisional correctly? Do you ever apply the "gallery rule" to rounds you post on GG?

Edited June 13, 2016 by cutchemist42

[Lihu]

7 minutes ago, cutchemist42 said:

No specific examples, and this isnt exclusive to GG but just in friends. An extreme example I had was playing with 4 friends. 1 hits fairway but still bogeys. 3 of us find the same woods and drop from there. (I actually found my ball on the fringe of the woods and would have played it had I found it before the drop)

I play the hole from there with a 7, including the +2. Friend finishes it in 5 as well, but says he's a 6 as its a + penalty. I acknowledge no one played it properly with a provisional, but I think +2 captures the penalty better.

Possibly, but it's still not right. You could possibly need to take 10 extra shots to get out of that situation because it's a distance penalty. The best thing to do is take worst case hole score per handicap or ESC. Just assume you didn't finish the hole, which you didn't.

 

7 minutes ago, cutchemist42 said:

When you do this in GG, would you simply exclude the hole, if you didnt play the provisional correctly? Do you ever apply the "gallery rule" to rounds you post on GG?

 

Sometimes I get lazy after forgetting to tag and just tag as if I "finished the hole" given my best judgement with ESC or worst expected hole score.

[cutchemist42]

2 minutes ago, Lihu said:

Possibly, but it's still not right. You could possibly need to take 10 extra shots to get out of that situation because it's a distance penalty. The best thing to do is take worst case hole score per handicap or ESC. Just assume you didn't finish the hole, which you didn't.

Sometimes I get lazy after forgetting to tag and just tag as if I "finished the hole" given my best judgement on ESC or worst hole score.

So you would tag it until you to your ESC for that hole?

 

[Mugs050]

12 minutes ago, krupa said:

I don't know why but I really hate doing this.  I do it, but I hate it. So when it happens I stop keeping score and I don't publish my GG round publicly or include the holes I already played in my GG stats.  If the Android app had a "don't upload" button, I would use it.

I think this is extreme. I lost two balls on the golf course my last round. One I punched through the fairway into some wild grass watched it barely go in and could not find my ball. The second was even worse. I hit a layup on a par 5 that landed in the rough just right of the 150 and could not find my ball.

Right or wrong I look at it like this. If this was the tour with all the cameras around and spectators those balls would of been found for sure. So why kill my round over those unlucky breaks? I take my +2 and carry on. If anything because of the distance factor it should be a +2.5 but you can't count half strokes haha. 

Edited June 13, 2016 by Mugs050

[Lihu]

8 minutes ago, cutchemist42 said:

So you would tag it until you to your ESC for that hole?

Yeah, or worst hole score. At the point you can't find your ball off the tee, it's likely an ESC.

Also, a lost ball is different from OB. If you play a provisional assuming an OB then can't find your ball you need to retake the shot. Lost balls are also different than OB. OB is only when you or you partners know for sure that it landed OB.

"Unplayable" is yet another one of those that you would need to play distance again.

In short, you can't just arbitrarily drop balls for distance penalties.

[krupa]

33 minutes ago, Mugs050 said:

I think this is extreme. I lost two balls on the golf course my last round. One I punched through the fairway into some wild grass watched it barely go in and could not find my ball. The second was even worse. I hit a layup on a par 5 that landed in the rough just right of the 150 and could not find my ball.

Right or wrong I look at it like this. If this was the tour with all the cameras around and spectators those balls would of been found for sure. So why kill my round over those unlucky breaks? I take my +2 and carry on. If anything because of the distance factor it should be a +2.5 but you can't count half strokes haha. 

This seems to be a common attitude but I don't agree with it.  

[No Mulligans]

1 hour ago, krupa said:

 

GameGolf, however, only records one actual shot.  So for OB and lost balls, you add +2 penalty to the shot that went OB or got lost. for the same end result.

I don't understand. 

I do it like this. Hit my first shot OB. Retag and tee off again. When I edit I add a penalty to the first shot which shows as 0, 1, 2 or 3 yards. GG shows the result right in line with the rules. 

If you wanted to just drop where the ball went OB or was lost, in GG you can add 2 penalty strokes. As mentioned this isn't following the rules, but my point is both can be done with GG. 

[cutchemist42]

So I know GG captures penalties in their strokes gained, but should the process be...

-Tag, tee shot goes out of bounds.....tag, 2nd shot lands fair, add +1 penality to this shot or to the first?

-Tah, tee shot goes out of bounds......hit 2nd shot without tagging.....walk up to that ball, and add +2 to first shot?

[Missouri Swede]

3 minutes ago, cutchemist42 said:

So I know GG captures penalties in their strokes gained, but should the process be...

-Tag, tee shot goes out of bounds.....tag, 2nd shot lands fair, add +1 penality to this shot or to the first?

-Tah, tee shot goes out of bounds......hit 2nd shot without tagging.....walk up to that ball, and add +2 to first shot?

They recommend tagging both shots as you tee off, then when you edit the round, deleting the first shot and adding 2 strokes to the tee shot:

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What happens if I hit a ball out of bounds?

If you hit a ball out of bounds (OB) you should tag your second shot from the tee. You can then add the penalty strokes for that OB shot in the round edit after uploading your round to your profile. It is suggested to delete the initially tagged shot that went OB in the round edit and adding the +2 to your second tee shot. 

This will keep the loss of 2 strokes (stroke and distance) associated with that club. (Unless you change clubs: Driver goes OB. Re-think the shot; choose a long iron for my second tee shot.  If I delete the first tee shot, it will associate the +2 with the iron instead of with the driver. But I'm not sure how often this occurs in the GG universe of shots.)

Anyway, that's what they suggest.