Forged irons

[JonMA1]

2 minutes ago, Lihu said:

Just play what you enjoy. If you can't swing fast enough to "take advantage" of them, who really cares?

I don't take these clubs to the course more than once a year (if that), but I make full swing with them on a regular basis into the field.

Not sure what's meant by taking advantage of them through swing speed. Given a club of equal length and loft, the only difference between GI and blades is the frequency of usable shots. A decent swing with the old Hogans will produce similar shots and distances as my Mizuno GI's. I might be able to get more curve with the blades... maybe.

I think the difference is more a case of having to hit the small sweet spot on these vs hitting almost anywhere on the face of my GI irons.

But I might be wrong.

[Lihu]

Just now, JonMA1 said:

I don't take these clubs to the course more than once a year (if that), but I make full swing with them on a regular basis into the field.

Not sure what's meant by taking advantage of them through swing speed. Given a club of equal length and loft, the only difference between GI and blades is the frequency of usable shots. A decent swing with the old Hogans will produce similar shots and distances as my Mizuno GI's. I might be able to get more curve with the blades... maybe.

I think the difference is more a case of having to hit the small sweet spot on these vs hitting almost anywhere on the face of my GI irons.

But I might be wrong.

To be more effective with a players club you really need a higher swing speed than the "normal" 20 handicap. I assume that his swing speed is possibly 85% of a better player?  That translates to a shorter distance of approximately 85% throughout the set?

If this higher handicap uses a GI club that focuses on lower spin and higher trajectories, that player will hit X distance with that club. When that same player uses a players iron his distance will be less than X. By how much depends upon fitting and many other factors.

The average shot that higher handicap makes is even lower because mishits are much less forgiving as well. The head is smaller and the area on the club you can hit a good shot is also much smaller as well.

[golfintheworld]

I love my Mizunos!! I went from the MP-33 to the MP-62. Love the way they feel and their ability to work the ball. I'll see how my 60 year old shoulder reacts after surgery. I may have to downgrade from stiff. If I do, I would absolutely consider reshafting the MP-62's.

[JonMA1]

18 minutes ago, Lihu said:

To be more effective with a players club you really need a higher swing speed than the "normal" 20 handicap. I assume that his swing speed is possibly 85% of a better player?  That translates to a shorter distance of approximately 85% throughout the set?

Couldn't the same be said about both players using GI clubs?

[Lihu]

3 hours ago, JonMA1 said:

Couldn't the same be said about both players using GI clubs?

I guess so, but if someone is good enough to hit the center of the face with sufficient height and speed using a modern players club then there is no real reason to use a GI club.

[saevel25]

7 minutes ago, Lihu said:

I guess so, but if someone is good enough to hit the center of the face with sufficient height and speed using a modern players club then there is no real reason to use a GI club.

Why? There are PGA tour players who hit GI irons. 

As long as you can get the clubs to fit your swing, GI clubs can be used at any level of play. 

[Lagavulin62]

Handicap is misleading. It's about hitting. There are plenty of good ball strikers who don't score very well, simply because they don't play much for various reasons. On the other hand every course is loaded with good scorers who don't hit the ball very far. 

Every golfer should play with the clubs that make them happy. 

 

[Lihu]

5 hours ago, saevel25 said:

Why? There are PGA tour players who hit GI irons. 

As long as you can get the clubs to fit your swing, GI clubs can be used at any level of play. 

I just simply stated that there is no real reason to use one, if you have a/some reason(s), let us know.

Could also be for endorsements?

 

12 minutes ago, Lagavulin62 said:

Handicap is misleading. It's about hitting. There are plenty of good ball strikers who don't score very well, simply because they don't play much for various reasons. On the other hand every course is loaded with good scorers who don't hit the ball very far. 

Every golfer should play with the clubs that make them happy. 

 

Yeah, these are both very true.

[mvmac]

5 minutes ago, Lagavulin62 said:

There are plenty of good ball strikers who don't score very well, simply because they don't play much for various reasons. On the other hand every course is loaded with good scorers who don't hit the ball very far. 

Both of those statements are generally not true. The lower the handicap the farther they hit it and the better the ballstriking. 

[Lihu]

1 hour ago, Lagavulin62 said:

Handicap is misleading. It's about hitting. There are plenty of good ball strikers who don't score very well, simply because they don't play much for various reasons. On the other hand every course is loaded with good scorers who don't hit the ball very far. 

Every golfer should play with the clubs that make them happy. 

 

 

1 hour ago, mvmac said:

Both of those statements are generally not true. The lower the handicap the farther they hit it and the better the ballstriking. 

I don't think he meant it as a general rule or anything.

It sounds more like there are many golfers who hit far because they might be athletic or something like that and score terrible because they don't play much golf in general, and that there are many golfers who don't hit far such as senior golfers who've played their entire lives and still score well?

Both of those statements have lots of examples especially in my area. I will agree that it is not a general rule, but that doesn't make what he stated generally untrue either?

[mvmac]

4 minutes ago, Lihu said:

Both of those statements have lots of examples especially in my area. I will agree that it is not a general rule, but that doesn't make what he stated generally untrue either?

I said generally not true, meaning there are some rare examples, which I agree there are.

Basically what I'm saying is you take the average distance and GIR of an 18 handicapper and compare it to a 3 handicapper, the 3 will on average hit the ball farther and hit more greens.

[Lagavulin62]

10 minutes ago, Lihu said:

 

I don't think he meant it as a general rule or anything.

It sounds more like there are many golfers who hit far because they might be athletic or something like that and score terrible because they don't play much golf in general, and that there are many golfers who don't hit far such as senior golfers who've played their entire lives and still score well?

Both of those statements have lots of examples especially in my area. I will agree that it is not a general rule, but that doesn't make what he stated generally untrue either?

Well said, exactly what I was saying.  

MV could brush up on his reading comprehension and learn a basic truth about this crazy game. You don't have to hit the ball very far to card a good score. And the flipside is that your scores will suffer much more than your ballstriking ability, once you get to a point you can no longer play as much or your interest in 4-5 hours on a course dies. That is especially true if you have played this game your whole life and have a solid foundation. But anyone is free to believe what they want. 

 

[iacas]

@mvmac's reading comprehension is fine.

There are exceptions but that's about it.

Ball striking, in general, is the biggest factor in scoring.

[Lagavulin62]

Re read the first two sentences.  It's about ball striking and "handicap" is not inclusive of the whole golf community. Many don't even play enough to have a reliable handicap. That doesn't mean they are poor ball strikers. Lots of golfers don't play as much and they don't practice the short part of their game. They lose a lot of feel necessary to score well. It doesn't take much to see your scores balloon to mid 80's and higher average when you stop playing regularly. Not everyone that plays golf has the luxery of teeing up daily at 10 at the neighborhood country club. But that doesn't mean they suddenly need a set of GI clubs. Take a day off and and see how the rest of us trudge through life.  

[alleztom]

5 minutes ago, Lagavulin62 said:

 They lose a lot of feel necessary to score well.

This feel would equate to ball striking for me. As such I agree with @iacas. If they strike the ball less well (generally or relatively to their more frequently practicing former selves) they will score well. Unless you're stating this 'feel' only applies round the green.

You also can be a decent ball striker and not hit it very far. If that is the case you can still choose to play GI clubs, low back centre of gravity, sacrifice some spin for some height and distance.

 

[colin007]

@Lagavulin62, what do you consider to be "good" ballstriking? How would you define it? 

[alleztom]

29 minutes ago, alleztom said:

This feel would equate to ball striking for me. As such I agree with @iacas. If they strike the ball less well (generally or relatively to their more frequently practicing former selves) they will score well. Unless you're stating this 'feel' only applies round the green.

You also can be a decent ball striker and not hit it very far. If that is the case you can still choose to play GI clubs, low back centre of gravity, sacrifice some spin for some height and distance.

 

*they will score less well

[Lagavulin62]

56 minutes ago, alleztom said:

This feel would equate to ball striking for me. As such I agree with @iacas. If they strike the ball less well (generally or relatively to their more frequently practicing former selves) they will score well. Unless you're stating this 'feel' only applies round the green.

You also can be a decent ball striker and not hit it very far. If that is the case you can still choose to play GI clubs, low back centre of gravity, sacrifice some spin for some height and distance.

 

Feel as in short game, putting, reading greens, trouble shots etc. The part of the game that only comes with consistence course play. 

The argument is not against playing gi clubs, or any club for that matter. It's just saying not everyone has a reliable handicap and they may not score well due to various reasons, usually because they don't play rounds enough.  That doesn't mean they are poor ball strikers abd are better served dirching their 30 year blades for gi's.