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SPJr Well Established Member

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Tweeted by Erik Henrikson, the Director of Innovation & Testing at PING.

- Steve

Driver: titleist.png.44b235e3fc0459caf96200c226b82945.png 917D2 (9.5*), 3/4 Wood: titleist.png.44b235e3fc0459caf96200c226b82945.png 917F2 (16*),
Hybrids: taylormade.png.b56433b17b721d4da3cda2f79f9e73a7.png Rescue Mid (19*) & :wilsonstaff: D100 (22*), 5i-PW, GW: cobra.png.f5a0c3806c04153a74a3b11aaf4308b0.png F7 One Length
Wedges: :wilsonstaff: PMP (54* & 58*), Putter: taylormade.png.b56433b17b721d4da3cda2f79f9e73a7.png Spider Mini

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billchao Incredible Member

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He's missing some data points. I'm a 13 and I hit one on Sunday from -2x,0.5y :8)

Bill

“By three methods we may learn wisdom: First, by reflection, which is noblest; Second, by imitation, which is easiest; and third by experience, which is the bitterest.” - Confucius

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MrGolfguy67 Dedicated Member

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I don't recommend hitting one from 2x,0y  I did my last time out and it wasn't good.

Carry on my wayward drive

There'll be pars when you are done

Lay your weary wedge to rest

Don't you shank no more 

 

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SPJr Well Established Member

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I just like the message that can be taken from this...

You want to improve? Stop worrying about equipment, shaft flex, etc. and get to the 'nitty gritty': start striking the ball.

Don't over-complicate the game.

Until you can strike the ball in the sweet spot on a consistent basis, nothing else matters.

Edited by SPJr

- Steve

Driver: titleist.png.44b235e3fc0459caf96200c226b82945.png 917D2 (9.5*), 3/4 Wood: titleist.png.44b235e3fc0459caf96200c226b82945.png 917F2 (16*),
Hybrids: taylormade.png.b56433b17b721d4da3cda2f79f9e73a7.png Rescue Mid (19*) & :wilsonstaff: D100 (22*), 5i-PW, GW: cobra.png.f5a0c3806c04153a74a3b11aaf4308b0.png F7 One Length
Wedges: :wilsonstaff: PMP (54* & 58*), Putter: taylormade.png.b56433b17b721d4da3cda2f79f9e73a7.png Spider Mini

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saevel25 Incredible Member

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4 minutes ago, SPJr said:

You want to improve? Stop worrying about equipment, shaft flex, etc. and get to the 'nitty gritty': start striking the ball.

I can see a situation were a wrong type golf shaft could cause a golfer to not strike the ball as well.
 

 

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Driver; :pxg: 0311 Gen 5,  3-Wood: :titleist: 917h3 ,  Hybrid:  :titleist: 915 2-Hybrid,  Irons: Sub 70 TAIII Fordged
Wedges: :edel: (52, 56, 60),  Putter: :edel:,  Ball: :snell: MTB,  Shoe: :true_linkswear:,  Rangfinder: :leupold:
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4 minutes ago, saevel25 said:

I can see a situation were a wrong type golf shaft could cause a golfer to not strike the ball as well.

I was about to say this. The wrong shaft definitely affects a player's ability to strike the ball well.

11 minutes ago, SPJr said:

Until you can strike the ball in the sweet spot on a consistent basis, nothing else matters.

I disagree with this. Some (most) people will never learn to hit the ball that well. The equipment matters because it helps a player get the most out of their current ability.

Hell, even if you're an aspiring tour pro, the equipment matters as you progress in skill. You're not using your grandfather's cut off sticks until you hit college or whatever.

Bill

“By three methods we may learn wisdom: First, by reflection, which is noblest; Second, by imitation, which is easiest; and third by experience, which is the bitterest.” - Confucius

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SPJr Well Established Member

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4 minutes ago, saevel25 said:

I can see a situation were a wrong type golf shaft could cause a golfer to not strike the ball as well.

It's possible, maybe. I won't deny that. But I don't buy into that at all.

I also know that I'm going to catch some grief for this -but- I feel like the differences in shafts are so miniscule that they really don't matter until you are a high level expert golfer who is looking to maximize output.

I know this video has been posted somewhere on this site before.

 

- Steve

Driver: titleist.png.44b235e3fc0459caf96200c226b82945.png 917D2 (9.5*), 3/4 Wood: titleist.png.44b235e3fc0459caf96200c226b82945.png 917F2 (16*),
Hybrids: taylormade.png.b56433b17b721d4da3cda2f79f9e73a7.png Rescue Mid (19*) & :wilsonstaff: D100 (22*), 5i-PW, GW: cobra.png.f5a0c3806c04153a74a3b11aaf4308b0.png F7 One Length
Wedges: :wilsonstaff: PMP (54* & 58*), Putter: taylormade.png.b56433b17b721d4da3cda2f79f9e73a7.png Spider Mini

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DeadMan Incredible Member

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I don't think his data is right, at least for anything above a scratch golfer. I think I'm closer to a 10 than scratch with this data, maybe even between a 10 and a 20, with my driver strike pattern. And yet, GameGolf has me driving the ball like a ~2 handicap.

-- Daniel

In my bag: :callaway: Paradym :callaway: Epic Flash 3.5W (16 degrees)

:callaway: Rogue Pro 3-PW :edel: SMS Wedges - V-Grind (48, 54, 58):edel: Putter

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SPJr Well Established Member

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Just now, DeadMan said:

I don't think his data is right, at least for anything above a scratch golfer. I think I'm closer to a 10 than scratch with this data, maybe even between a 10 and a 20, with my driver strike pattern. And yet, GameGolf has me driving the ball like a ~2 handicap.

I'm not sure about the sample size of the data he gathered. I'm sure there are variations.

- Steve

Driver: titleist.png.44b235e3fc0459caf96200c226b82945.png 917D2 (9.5*), 3/4 Wood: titleist.png.44b235e3fc0459caf96200c226b82945.png 917F2 (16*),
Hybrids: taylormade.png.b56433b17b721d4da3cda2f79f9e73a7.png Rescue Mid (19*) & :wilsonstaff: D100 (22*), 5i-PW, GW: cobra.png.f5a0c3806c04153a74a3b11aaf4308b0.png F7 One Length
Wedges: :wilsonstaff: PMP (54* & 58*), Putter: taylormade.png.b56433b17b721d4da3cda2f79f9e73a7.png Spider Mini

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DeadMan Incredible Member

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13 minutes ago, SPJr said:

I'm not sure about the sample size of the data he gathered. I'm sure there are variations.

He's also looking at the precise center of the ball for impact point, I'd guess. That's much more precise compared to using foot spray or impact tape to see where that point is. It will also make things appear closer to the center.

On the other hand, the thread is filled with people saying their strike patterns are nothing like this, so I'm not the only one thinking this.

-- Daniel

In my bag: :callaway: Paradym :callaway: Epic Flash 3.5W (16 degrees)

:callaway: Rogue Pro 3-PW :edel: SMS Wedges - V-Grind (48, 54, 58):edel: Putter

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SPJr Well Established Member

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4 minutes ago, DeadMan said:

On the other hand, the thread is filled with people saying their strike patterns are nothing like this, so I'm not the only one thinking this.

Who are the other people saying this? 

As far a the accuracy of the data: I mean, I don't know but I feel like the guys at PING probably have a very precise way of running such experiments and coming up with the data and I would consider them a reliable source.

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- Steve

Driver: titleist.png.44b235e3fc0459caf96200c226b82945.png 917D2 (9.5*), 3/4 Wood: titleist.png.44b235e3fc0459caf96200c226b82945.png 917F2 (16*),
Hybrids: taylormade.png.b56433b17b721d4da3cda2f79f9e73a7.png Rescue Mid (19*) & :wilsonstaff: D100 (22*), 5i-PW, GW: cobra.png.f5a0c3806c04153a74a3b11aaf4308b0.png F7 One Length
Wedges: :wilsonstaff: PMP (54* & 58*), Putter: taylormade.png.b56433b17b721d4da3cda2f79f9e73a7.png Spider Mini

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DeadMan Incredible Member

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1 minute ago, SPJr said:

Who are the other people saying this? 

I mean, I don't know but I feel like the guys at PING probably have a very precise way of running such experiments and coming up with the data.

Look at the replies to the tweet.

-- Daniel

In my bag: :callaway: Paradym :callaway: Epic Flash 3.5W (16 degrees)

:callaway: Rogue Pro 3-PW :edel: SMS Wedges - V-Grind (48, 54, 58):edel: Putter

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SPJr Well Established Member

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29 minutes ago, DeadMan said:

Look at the replies to the tweet.

I see, you mean the twitter replies.

I'll take your word for it @DeadMan. I believe you. 

Edited by SPJr

- Steve

Driver: titleist.png.44b235e3fc0459caf96200c226b82945.png 917D2 (9.5*), 3/4 Wood: titleist.png.44b235e3fc0459caf96200c226b82945.png 917F2 (16*),
Hybrids: taylormade.png.b56433b17b721d4da3cda2f79f9e73a7.png Rescue Mid (19*) & :wilsonstaff: D100 (22*), 5i-PW, GW: cobra.png.f5a0c3806c04153a74a3b11aaf4308b0.png F7 One Length
Wedges: :wilsonstaff: PMP (54* & 58*), Putter: taylormade.png.b56433b17b721d4da3cda2f79f9e73a7.png Spider Mini

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NM Golf Super Member

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Where did this information come from? I try to be careful of the "data" that comes out of thin air. Next he will be posting how the short game is the most important aspect of your game.

Danny    In my :ping: Hoofer Tour golf bag on my :clicgear: 8.0 Cart

Driver:   :pxg: 0311 Gen 5  X-Stiff.                        Irons:  :callaway: 4-PW APEX TCB Irons 
3 Wood: :callaway: Mavrik SZ Rogue X-Stiff                            Nippon Pro Modus 130 X-Stiff
3 Hybrid: :callaway: Mavrik Pro KBS Tour Proto X   Wedges: :vokey:  50°, 54°, 60° 
Putter: :odyssey:  2-Ball Ten Arm Lock        Ball: :titleist: ProV 1

 

 

 

 

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SPJr Well Established Member

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4 minutes ago, NM Golf said:

Where did this information come from?

From PING's database

- Steve

Driver: titleist.png.44b235e3fc0459caf96200c226b82945.png 917D2 (9.5*), 3/4 Wood: titleist.png.44b235e3fc0459caf96200c226b82945.png 917F2 (16*),
Hybrids: taylormade.png.b56433b17b721d4da3cda2f79f9e73a7.png Rescue Mid (19*) & :wilsonstaff: D100 (22*), 5i-PW, GW: cobra.png.f5a0c3806c04153a74a3b11aaf4308b0.png F7 One Length
Wedges: :wilsonstaff: PMP (54* & 58*), Putter: taylormade.png.b56433b17b721d4da3cda2f79f9e73a7.png Spider Mini

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3 minutes ago, SPJr said:
From PING's database

I wonder what the sample size was, I hope it was more than one of each type of player.

Danny    In my :ping: Hoofer Tour golf bag on my :clicgear: 8.0 Cart

Driver:   :pxg: 0311 Gen 5  X-Stiff.                        Irons:  :callaway: 4-PW APEX TCB Irons 
3 Wood: :callaway: Mavrik SZ Rogue X-Stiff                            Nippon Pro Modus 130 X-Stiff
3 Hybrid: :callaway: Mavrik Pro KBS Tour Proto X   Wedges: :vokey:  50°, 54°, 60° 
Putter: :odyssey:  2-Ball Ten Arm Lock        Ball: :titleist: ProV 1

 

 

 

 

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SPJr Well Established Member

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1 minute ago, NM Golf said:

I wonder what the sample size was, I hope it was more than one of each type of player.

Sure, I agree.

- Steve

Driver: titleist.png.44b235e3fc0459caf96200c226b82945.png 917D2 (9.5*), 3/4 Wood: titleist.png.44b235e3fc0459caf96200c226b82945.png 917F2 (16*),
Hybrids: taylormade.png.b56433b17b721d4da3cda2f79f9e73a7.png Rescue Mid (19*) & :wilsonstaff: D100 (22*), 5i-PW, GW: cobra.png.f5a0c3806c04153a74a3b11aaf4308b0.png F7 One Length
Wedges: :wilsonstaff: PMP (54* & 58*), Putter: taylormade.png.b56433b17b721d4da3cda2f79f9e73a7.png Spider Mini

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3 hours ago, SPJr said:

Until you can strike the ball in the sweet spot on a consistent basis, nothing else matters.

Heck, I'm not sure I qualify for that…

My opinion: other things matter, too.

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