I Might Take the Flagstick Out for this Putt from the Fringe

[iacas]

As you guys know, I'm a big fan of leaving the flagstick in…

Well, I finally found a putt from the fringe where I'd recommend that almost everyone take the flagstick out because it should just be unnecessary:

Then again, if you can't control your distance to within a foot or two from here, you should still leave it in. (The flagstick appears to be leaning a little but wasn't after I re-centered it).

FWIW, in 2019, my recommendation and to my college team my requirement will be to put the flagstick in if you're not at least 90% confident you can control your distance to within two feet or so. Under about three feet, the advantages are negligible.

[rkim291968]

I take the flag out when it windy and the flag is swaying.   I am afraid that my putt/chip will bounce off the swaying flag stick instead of going in.  

[RayG]

NO chance that is a valid USGA location according to their criteria. 

But- anyway- if I'm chipping from off the green, it stays in. If I'm putting, it comes out.

[iacas]

15 minutes ago, RayG said:

NO chance that is a valid USGA location according to their criteria.

No such thing.

[DeadMan]

I would leave the flag in there, still. I am really bad at speed control when there's a decent amount of fringe to putt over. That might be partly due to the courses I play.

[p1n9183]

Always in from outside the green.  

[Club Rat]

In unless it is a short distance.
Out if it's uphill and the flag is leaning towards me on makeable situations. 

Other situations, out if it helps speed up play within the group.
Or leave it in if others are away and I'm on the fringe closer to the hole.

It drives me nutz when guys want to pull the flag and put it back in just because their away...

[iacas]

1 hour ago, Club Rat said:

Out if it's uphill and the flag is leaning towards me on makeable situations.

That can actually help you more.

[Club Rat]

15 hours ago, iacas said:

That can actually help you more.

I'll give it a try and leave it in next time.

[RayG]

22 hours ago, iacas said:

No such thing.

I didn't say it was "illegal"- but....

 

Rule 16

Requirements for Hole Location on the Putting Green

Q.What are the requirements for establishing a hole location on the putting green?

A.The USGA frequently receives requests for guidelines with respect to selection of hole locations on the putting greens, particularly during competitions. There are no rules regarding hole locations, so there is no such thing as an "illegal" hole location. The USGA believes that many factors affect selection of hole locations. The first and most important is good judgment in deciding what will give fair results. Do not be tricky in locating holes. Following are specific points:

1. Study the design of the hole as the architect intended it to be played. Know the length of the shot to the green and how it may be affected by the probable conditions for the day - that is, wind and other weather elements, conditions of the turf from which the shot will be played, and holding quality of the green.
2. There must be enough putting green surface between the hole and the front and the sides of the green to accommodate the required shot. For example, if the hole requires a long iron or wood shot to the green, the hole should be located deeper in the green and further from its sides than should be the case if the hole requires a short pitch shot. In any case, it is recommended that generally the hole be located at least four paces from any edge of the green. If a bunker is close to the edge, or if the ground slopes away from the edge, the distance should be greater, especially if the shot is more than a pitch. Consideration should be given to fair opportunity for recovery after a reasonably good shot that just misses the green.
3. An area two to three feet in radius around the hole should be as nearly level as possible and of uniform grade. In no case should holes be located in tricky places, or on sharp slopes where a ball can gather speed. A player above the hole should be able to stop the ball at the hole.
4. Consider the condition of nearby turf, especially taking care to avoid old hole plugs which have not completely healed.
5. Holes should be cut as nearly on the vertical as possible, not plumb with the contour of the green.
6. There should be a balanced selection of hole locations for the entire course with respect to left, right, central, front and back positions. For example, avoid too many left positions with resulting premium on drawn or hooked shots.
7. For a competition played over several days, the course should be kept in balance daily as to degree of difficulty. In a stroke competition, the first hole of the first round is as important as the last hole of the last round, and so the course should not be set up appreciably more difficult for any round - balanced treatment is the aim. An old concept of making the course progressively harder round after round is fallacious. One form of balanced daily treatment is to select six quite difficult, six which are moderately difficult and six which are relatively easy.
8. During practice days before a competition, locate holes in areas not to be used during the competition and which will not result in areas to be used being impaired by foot traffic.
9. Anticipate the players' traffic patterns. Locate holes for early rounds so that good hole locations for later rounds will not be spoiled by players leaving the green.
10. In match play, a hole location may, if necessary, be changed during a round provided the players in each match play with the hole in the same location. In stroke play, Rule 33-2b requires that all competitors in a single round play with each hole cut in the same position, but see Exception to that Rule. When 36 holes are played in one day, it is not customary for hole locations to be changed between rounds, but there is no Rule to prohibit changing them. If they are changed, all players should be informed.
11. The greenkeeper who cuts the holes should make sure that the Rules of Golf are observed, especially the requirements that the hole not exceed 4 ¼ inches in outer diameter and that the hole-liner be sunk at least one inch below the putting green surface. 

[3jacker]

That reminds me of the time I worked at a golf course in between high school and college.  It was the Women's Club Championship, so we (me and my buddy on the grounds crew) decided that, lacking specific instructions, we'd put the ladies tees on the back of the ladies tee box.  Not the back of the teeing ground overall, mind you, just the back of the forward teeing area.  I mean, it's the club championship, right? 

You would NOT BELIEVE the amount of #$@!ing and moaning that ensued. And our head pro had to deal with it, not us.  We were laughing our a$$es off watching them stomp into the pro shop to give him a piece of their mind.  

And we're talking extra yardage of 2-5 yards per hole.  Still cracks me up. 

Anyway, he relayed the complaints to us with instructions the next morning to "not do that."

We didn't, but at one point we briefly toyed with the idea of cutting the hole 10 feet to the right of the 4th green the final day.  Off the actual putting surface. Thank God we had the sense not to.