Is This a Hole in One?

[RustUK]

25 minutes ago, Cantankerish said:

 

 

It was actually more than half a ball over the whole, so based on that I think a small proportion would have been below the rim.

I seem to have quoted Cantankerish by mistake there.  Not sure how to adjust it.

In the video, the flag is oscillating and each time the flag moves back towards the centre, the ball rolls (very slightly) towards the hole.  Does that not confirm that the balance is shifted towards the flag and therefore partially below ground level?

[billchao]

14 minutes ago, RustUK said:

In the video, the flag is oscillating and each time the flag moves back towards the centre, the ball rolls (very slightly) towards the hole.  Does that not confirm that the balance is shifted towards the flag and therefore partially below ground level?

If you have a video showing part of the ball crossing the plane, that's another story. I made my judgment based off the picture you posted earlier.

[RustUK]

Is it possible to post the video to this thread?  It is 15MB in size.

[iacas]

1 minute ago, RustUK said:

Is it possible to post the video to this thread?  It is 15MB in size.

https://www.youtube.com/upload

I suspect what I'll take away from the video is that the edge of the hole is rounded down slightly, but I still won't see any of the ball below the lip of the hole.

The cup is pretty well worn without a clear "corner."

[RustUK]

 

Edited March 21, 2019 by iacas
embedded video

[DaveP043]

6 minutes ago, RustUK said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8Hbrzc85cs&feature=youtu.be

You may need to set that to be open to the public

[RustUK]

Ok, that should work now.

[DaveP043]

12 minutes ago, RustUK said:

Ok, that should work now.

Wow, that's really close.  At least now you've read the actual rule, so the next time you hit one like that you'll know how to evaluate it.  @iacas is right, its possible for the ball to be touching the flag, and still not fit the definition of being "holed", and that one may just fit that description.  

[p1n9183]

For me it´s HIO

[iacas]

Yeah, the video shows what I thought it would. Nice birdie.

Blame the cup or the flagstick or whomever put it back like that.

[billchao]

1 hour ago, RustUK said:

 

 

Sorry bud, that's not in. I'll give you that putt, though 😀

[iacas]

Also we create the legal fiction here that the ball is at rest because it's overhanging the hole and you've been there for > 10 seconds.

[rehmwa]

if even a minute portion of the centerline of ball is past the edge of the hole, then a part of the ball has to be blow the surface

if the ball rocks in and out with the flag, then it has to be leaning, not sitting.  problem with that is if the edge of the hole is not tidy, it could be outside and still leans towards the hole.

so you have to look at it and see if the center of the ball is actually past the edge of the 'true' hole

Edited March 21, 2019 by rehmwa

[iacas]

1 minute ago, rehmwa said:

if the ball rocks in and out with the flag, then it has to be leaning, not sitting

The edge of the hole could be rounded down slightly. It's not exactly a crisp cup.

Tap-in birdie.

[rehmwa]

8 minutes ago, iacas said:

The edge of the hole could be rounded down slightly. It's not exactly a crisp cup.

I had already revised my post to consider that.  good point.  takes into account what your earlier graphic didn't show.  but now we have a ball that is lower than the lip, but not 'over' the edge of the hole.....Blue is a no, green is a yes.  Even though both would rock in and out with the flag moving.  Both would fall if the flag was removed.

then that flag is literally keeping the ball from rolling in.  in or out, great shot

err....not to scale

 

Edited March 21, 2019 by rehmwa

[pganapathy]

For me, what you should have done was straightened out the pin.  If it dropped in with the pin straight, that is a hole in one.  If not, birdie

[iacas]

12 minutes ago, pganapathy said:

For me, what you should have done was straightened out the pin.  If it dropped in with the pin straight, that is a hole in one.  If not, birdie

That's not correct.

Not in 2019.

[rehmwa]

I should have done it this way:

"If any part of the ball is in the hole below the surface of the putting green"  that's 2 factors to be met....

In the hole = between the red lines

below the surface = below the purple line

The OPs putt has to satisfy both simultaneously, some part of the ball has to be in the (white and blue) rectangle below that purple line.....

 

Edited March 21, 2019 by rehmwa