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I figured out the issue. The guy in charge of match play was trying to post these through golf genius. But when he leaves the scores for holes blank, it defaults to net double bogey. So he was trying to post +10 for 18 holes instead of +5 for 16 holes. There is probably a way to do this correctly in golf genius, but he’s not going to figure it out. I posted the score manually, and it passes the sanity test:

Do you guys follow the NFL draft? I do. Feels like Cleveland should have just taken the best player in the draft (Travis Hunter). But this is what happens when you trade 3 first rounders, plus 40% of your salary cap for a guy facing 24 counts of sexual assault and who plays roughly half of the games. The Browns can't wait for 2028 when they will finally be rid of the stink of DeShawn Watson.

Just tell Tiger you'll give him $10M if he lets you beat him on one hole. Hell, give him $25M.

Lots of clubs institute this MLR. Even when conditions don't lead to a lot of lost balls. I see no problem with it. It does mean you're hitting your fourth (if your tee shot is missing), of course.

Of course, we're going to give preference to those who can do both. But right now we aren't at the limit of 16, so… probably fine.

Shedeur freeeeeeeeeeeeeeee fallin'. I'm definitely on board with the "Shedeur is bad" takes. Am I right? Dunno. Milroe's still there. I feel like he has way more upside than Shedeur but again, I could be wrong. He seems at least as good as Malik Willis to me though. My physical therapist loves Will Howard but he went to Ohio State so his opinion can't really be trusted. He any good?

I mean… Pickett's small hands won't be able to hold it down very well. 🙂

Got my second birdie of the year. One for each 9 hole round I've played this year. I'm using Bent Tree Golf Course in Sunbury as my home course because that's where the Wednesday Night league I'm in this year is. Hole 17 is a 130 yard par-3 with a green the size of a flea's footprint. Last night there was almost no breeze to speak of and it played at about 126 yards. I hit a smooth P-wedge to about 15 inches. Even I couldn't miss that putt. Tap in Birdie.

Thank you for sharing that. He was quite good wasn't he? I was curious, so took a look. He played 19 PGA Tour stroke play events in 2000. He was 263 under par (they did point that out at the end of the video). If you look at each event he played in and take the best score in each event for a player not called Tiger Woods, that combined field score was -259. So he beat the field - where the field resets every week - over the course of an entire season. That's mind blowing.

That's certainly "basic" information. I need a lot more info than just that for a good chunk of my even teen-handicap golfers.

After the Watson disaster, it really seems like the Browns are hedging their bets with quarterback now. My guess is that Flacco is still seen as the old reliable that can play if need be, but they are just hoping one of the other three can separate himself. Somebody is going to be the odd man out by the time the season starts, so it makes for an easy daily storyline out of Berea come training camp. Still kind of thought that with the 2026 QB class so well thought of, building the other positions made more sense, but nobody is paying me to run a football team.

Added 2 birdies from my last round, and I have birdied 9 holes so far. I feel like that's a very solid start at this point, given that I've played about 7 rounds so far.

However 2.1b says re GP scores 2.1b ii) General Play. When an organized competition is not being contested, a score is not generally acceptable for handicap purposes if the player: * Breaches the Rules of Golf, and the correct penalty is not applied under the Rules of Golf, or * Deliberately ignores a Rule of Golf. Where a player follows the provisions set down in a Model Local Rule, even when the Committee in charge of the course has not adopted that Model Local Rule, the score may still be acceptable for handicap purposes.

CONGU – who control handicapping in Great Britain and Ireland – affirmed the Local Rule could not be used in any qualifying competitions or general play scores. That’s any event where handicap marks could be affected.

I think you are spot on. Seems like every survey I read about playing golf in the US says that the biggest issue here is pace of play. Anything that can help pace of play feels like a good idea.

Funny, I heard a talking head on the radio this afternoon saying words to the effect of "Why would any coach want to draft Shedeur Sanders?" The point being that since Deion Sanders has expressed interest in becoming an NFL head coach, allegedly even going so far as to "reach out" to NFL teams to express interest in taking over their head coaching duties. Why would you draft Shedeur Sanders knowing that if you get off to a rocky start with him Deion is going to "reach out" to your owner and suggest that he should take over head coaching duties? Of course their are more people involved in the decisions on who to draft, but if I'm a head coach and I have a say in the process. I think I'd stay away from him. It was an interesting take. I actually didn't think of Deion that way. I pictured it more of having to deal with Deion Sanders second guessing you all the time and being annoying in the media. I never really thought about Deion Sanders actually taking your job.

I mean we're going to win two or three of the next four super bowls, so copying might be a good idea... 😉🦅 Of course, we've gotta stay ahead of the curve, so everyone started drafting DTs, we went with LBs 🤣

I agree that in a pure stroke-play situation the use of E-5 limits the possible scores by limiting the potential to hit multiple shots OB. But in a Stableford or "quota" game, a player is likely to be in "blob" territory anyway, so its a minimal difference. I understand that E-5 is viewed differently in different parts of the world, I don't know what the Australian attitude would be, but I don't see a problem with using it.

That's what I'd suggest you do ,post hole-by-hole, post an "x" for the holes not played, unless directed otherwise by a Handicap Committee with approval from your state golf association. "Par plus.." is no longer used, unless specific instructions are given. Note that Clarification 3.2b/2 says it should be used "only when approved by the Authorized Association".

This is how I understand it should be done, just treat those holes as not played.

22 points in a gross Stableford is solid. Nice job.

Another tournament prize for me yesterday. Not played golf for a year and two weeks back played a tournament. Horribly inconsistent round. Post that didn't touch my clubs before playing another tournament yesterday. Fairly decent round with the exception of 3 triple bogeys, 2 of which were OB. The other was just bad shots and decisions. Still finished 16 over and was runner up in the gross stableford event with 22 points. The winner had 23 points

I should be able to drive in for both days...

Yea I admit too I had more of a 2nd round evaluation on him, where I wrote in my notes "Maybe Geno Smith" after watching a couple games. Too many screens, too many sacks, awkward throwing motion at times, low velocity at times. Too low. At other times though I thought he made some nice throws, hence why I thought he should've probably gone around round two. So to me the free fall is surprising to an extent, but of course, it all makes sense now that he's still sitting there. He probably bombed his interviews too, and I know almost nothing of his personality. I love sports betting, hence why I love following this stuff, but there's only so much I can know from the outside looking in. But yea, my 2nd round guess was smart to an extent, but also bad now that he's still on the board and it's pick 4.17 at the moment. I see. Thanks for the take, I know you watch every game of theirs. I just watched some of the Penn State game and can see both the upside and why he's still available. But I can get on board as well that Howard has more upside than Sanders too. Tougher competition, showed some growth from K-State to Ohio State. I guess the question marks with Howard are processing and accuracy. Yea especially for us as fans. We don't get to interview these guys or talk to their college coaches to get a better idea of what they'll be like to work with everyday. We don't know who will end up being more durable and whose body will just naturally break down over the next few years. Some guys are great talents who go to terrible situations too, who are poor system fits in failed regimes. Other guys hit the jackpot with the perfect role on a great team in a weak division. There are so many variables.

I would put money on Will having a better NFL career than Sanders. Mostly because he is a fast processor and his mental game and leadership is top notch. I think that translates better.

I would say the demons were getting him more than anything. Also, it is just hard to win a major. Rory is in ELITE company. Let's say he gets to 7 majors. He's probably the 2nd best player post Jack. I would almost put him above Phil, it would be a good discussion (for another topic than this). There is nothing more to say here about it with regards to this thread. Was there a question if Rory would ever win the Masters, absolutely. Now that it is off his bucket list, he solidified himself as the third best golfer of the post Jack Nicklaus era currently. Anything else would just be continuing on with an argument that has no merit anymore.

Paraphrasing an old joke - what do you call the worst player to ever win a major championship? A major champion

LOL... so.. thumbs up? (praise..praise..) OR thumbs down? (shade..shade..) 😂

To add to @iacas , the 35/15 split is what the USGA and the World Handicap System recommend for 2-ball scrambles. See Appendix C here: Rules of Handicapping

This thread has now become the “What have you done for me lately?” Thread. It’s kind of hilarious to me. Rory just completed the lifetime Grand Slam and people are now saying it was a squeak by win? And, “Yeah, but can you repeat?” Tough crowd and kind of sad really.

To wax a little poetry if I may; it's not how we fall but how we rise after a fall. He always struck to me as a very resilient fella. Surviving the odds including the preening eyes of an army of those who 'expertly' write others off maybe an even higher quality in my book. Hence I refrain from using 'never' as an opinion. I would have said the same thing about him had he not won this year.

My recommendation for anyone traveling from out of town would be to stay in/near Cranberry. There is a retail stretch of hotels very close to the course. It is about 50 minutes from Reserve Run. I'm not going to be very involved in the hotel selection and such, since I live in the city (about 20 minutes south of Cranberry). One thing to note - Friday night (6/20) is a Pirates home game and fireworks night. For those who are into baseball...while you can't necessarily call what the Pirates play these days "baseball", it is consistently rated one of the best stadiums in MLB and the fireworks nights are pretty spectacular.

If they have the same handicap it doesn't matter what you take 35% and 15% of. If you have two low handicaps, averaging them is generally unwise as I said in my first response: a scratch and an 18 would get 9 strokes, which is silly given that one of the players is scratch.

Had a good round today! Birdied 3 holes today to push me to -10 Birdied holes #2, 8 and 11

So weird.

If that is the case, then Richard Sherman has given probably the best reason to ban what the Eagles have been doing on their short yardage plays. If they are good at it, then get better at stopping it. I am all for rules that are consistent between offense and defense if there is a safety issue, and if the situations are that similar.

To the extent that one can say that a major champion's golf swing stinks, I'm saying it here: the golf swings of Fred Couples, Ernie Els, and Louis Oosthuizen kinda stink. And before I get a bunch of people saying a bunch of things… here is a brief list of things I am not saying in this post: Their results stink. They should have changed their swings and/or would have had more success with a different swing. (Though, interestingly, all three were regularly talked about as having underperformed in their careers.) I (or anyone else I coach or know on a personal level) have a better swing. What do these swings have in common? They're lauded as great swings. Why? Because they're smoooooooth. At real speed, we see the tempo and rhythm and flow and the way the swings "gather" at the top… and call them good because they're pleasing to watch. A lot like this fella (originally from here, but since IG doesn't embed anymore…): This guy got a lot of traction for a hot minute on how great his swing looked. But… 🤮 If this guy likes what he's doing… more power to him. But if he wanted to get better at golf… I have some ideas. 😉 I just hope the butt of his grips are clean, because if not, he's gonna have streaks across his right pocket. I named a few people up above. Major champions. All lauded over the years, but… Let's take them one by one. Ernie Els Known far and wide as "The Big Easy," Ernie won 19 times on the PGA Tour including four majors. But, the way he uses his lower body always bugged me: Ernie's right knee almost surely increases its amount of flex, with a decent amount of pelvis movement toward the golf ball (really "early extension") during the backswing. I can't help but wonder if Ernie would have hit it much farther than he did (though Ernie wasn't a short hitter by any stretch of the definition, Tim Herron — a guy named "Lumpy" — outdrove Els in 1996) if he used his legs differently. This unique knee action led to a bit of a "stuck" position on the downswing: I'd be really curious to see Ernie's GEARS numbers for hips and shoulders, as the latter appears to lag well behind the former. But he didn't get the nickname "The Big Easy" for no reason. Louis Oosthuizen Some long-time people will know where I'm about to go with this one. The one-time major champion (his only PGA Tour win) has been called a "sweet swinger," but does the same thing that draws the ire of recreational golfers across the globe: That's early extension, with Louis looking like | at impact. Though he wants to ride around on his tractor and maintain a farm, one has to hope he doesn't have any goats on the farm. 😳 Fred Couples Fred's swing reminds me of a lot of 12 handicappers who don't understand why they keep fatting the ball and hitting across it. His swing starts with a minimal turn and a lot of elbow folding as he pulls the arms across his chest. Ultimately, he'll add a little turn at the end… as the right elbow works almost completely behind his shirt seam and away from the golf ball, ending up well "behind him: This is "stuck" — but to solve it, Fred will try to tuck his right elbow in, but being unable to do that completely or fast enough… he'll just instead add a bunch of right tilt to help the clubhead get down to the ground: That's to say little of the "fake strong" grip that's well up in his left palm, and which plays significantly weaker than it does. I can't help but wonder if Fred's back issues could have been reduced without the need to turn in right side flexion as much as he did/does. Again, I am not saying in this post: Their results stink. They should have changed their swings and/or would have had more success with a different swing. (Though, interestingly, all three were regularly talked about as having underperformed in their careers.) I (or anyone else I coach or know on a personal level) have a better swing. So, what am I saying? I'm saying two things, primarily, and I'm not even saying these apply in all cases: Smoothness A "smooth" tempo and rhythm will make any golf swing look better to a lot of people. Nick Price was a better golfer than Fred Couples, but few looked at Nick Price's swing with the reverence they reserved for Boom Boom. Pros vs. Ams Pros can get away with a lot of stuff because it's their job and they've likely always swung that way. That doesn't mean that a guy who plays or practices two times a week should be okay with these moves, because they're going to have a much harder time timing them or getting the peak performance out of them. And I'll be clear about this, too: generally speaking, pros make simpler, easier golf swings than regular players. They often move their body parts less than an average golfer, with fewer compensations. Most good golfers don't trap their right elbow way behind themselves like Fred does. Most don't move their pelvis toward the golf ball during the backswings like Ernie or downswings as much as Louis. Bad golfers do those and so many more things. These golfers are the exceptions; not necessarily swings to study and mimic.