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I am a big fan of Hole 19, after using golflogix for a number of years.

Glad you are liking the SL irons. I played 6-GW for the first two years and then added a 5 and SW. The 5 iron was the harder of the two clubs to adapt to as initially I kept feeling like I had to swing super fast and I was not getting good contact or the distance out of it. After I settled down and starting swinging smooth and natural with it, my strikes became consistent and on center along with the distance gap over my 6 iron.

I am truly interested in that as well. I hope his HC drops like a rock, and would love to hear feedback after 20 rounds or so. I think it makes a huge difference, but like the golf swing, there is 'feel' of what I think I may be doing and the reality of what is really occurring in my swing.

Good luck, I am big fan of playing SL clubs

Agree. Raking the 4" putt is no different than any other rules violation, not sure why this one should be overlooked. The girl's frustration and loss of focus due to a missed birdie putt is just something I am sure she has already taken ownership of.

agree with the above. everyone is focused on the other players "intent" and not the "intent" of the one immediately raking the ball like she lost the hole.

Played Kiva Dunes two times last while on vacation, 67.8/119. Shot a 78 on my first rounds, and two days later had a chance for my best round ever as I was -1 after 16 holes. It is the first time I have ever shot back to back in the 70's. I hit 9 GIR on the front 9 that day, had 4 birdies and felt like I missed some putts on a number of other makable birdies. I ended up bogeying 17 and 18 for a 73. I am looking forward to my round this weekend, I hope I can keep it going!

I started off 4 years ago with a Wishon 919 driver after going through a fitting. It really improved my driving results then I added a hybrid, then the Sterling Irons, and then a 4wood over the next few years. I have been very pleased with the equipment and as many have said, a really good fitting has a lot to do with it. Prior to that, I played Mizuno irons forever, and then had a season or two with Maltby TE Irons which I have to say, are also great irons if you are looking for a forged head with a lot of perimeter weighting. I agree, resale is not so good, but from a quality standpoint, I think you can put them up to any of the major manufacturers. Whatever you decide, make sure you go through a "real" fitting.

+1. orange whip user as well and it really helps me with temp and and the pause at the top, helps me get rid of the feeling of coming over the top

I switched over to SL irons last season. My HC went from a 10.5 down to a 6.5 over 40+ rounds last year. I don't get to play a lot of rounds each year so I have found the SL irons to be a real benefit in my consistency. This year will be interesting to see if the improvement continues or if it was just a honeymoon period. I can only tell you that golf was fun last year due to improved consistency in distances, ball flight and direction. I do get a kick out of all of the people on this thread who who go out of their way to bash the idea, most who haven't even tried them. I don't quite understand why people care what other people play or enjoy playing or why they feel the need to theorize why SL irons are wrong and they are right. To each their own. Fairways and Greens....

I guess I am in the minority (6% at this point on the survey) who really like the SL iron concept. I am have been playing for 35 years, switched a year ago, and I have played some of the best golf in my life. I am a taller player whom has always hit my shorter irons better than my long irons, so it was no brainer for me. What I realized is that I have been playing too short of wedges most of my life as I love the longer length 9-SW, I am playing mine at 37.5" 6-SW. It's easy to say it is a fad, its weird, won't work, etc but results are results. If you have an open mind and are willing to try them for an extended period of time, I think a lot of people would like them. They do reduce a number of variables in your set up for each shot and for me, they put me in a good posture for all of my irons. Most people in this game are not willing to try "different" approaches to the game even though year in and year out their HC stays within a stroke or two their whole life. If that is "normal" you can have it. I am by no means saying they are any better that variable length irons nor are they a magic bullet, you still have to have a golf swing, but that doesn't mean that they do not have a place for some in the game.

I can't make it this weekend, enjoy!

Interesting bag, definitely someone trying to do something really unique and different from what everyone else is doing. I sent them an email to see how much they will cost.

I just ordered 5 dozen of the Vice Pro Neon, to give them a shot. I have been a QStar and then a Z-Star player for the past 4 years but I look forward to giving them a try.

Agree! the simple wrist to floor while standing straight up does not tell the whole story. the geometry of a 5'10 player and a 6'5" player are completely different and they each inherently have different fitting issues / effects due to their height.

Breaking 80 was a goal for me as well this year. Two years ago was playing around a 12 and got it down to 10 at the end of last year. Normally, I would break 80 one time a year, maybe two. It has been a combination of a lot to things, but out of 26 rounds this year I have broken 80 10x (a low of 72) and in the process lowered my HC to 7. For me is it staying away from an OB ball, so driving the ball well is the most important need for me to score well. By well I mean in play LOL. I played today and shot 80, (39 / 41) on a course that has a lot of OB on many holes. I had one OB on the front (hooked a hybrid on part 4 that has a creek that you need to lay short of) and two OB on the back, both with driver. My GIR are usually pretty good when I drive the ball well.

Based on my results and others I regularly play with, I would agree that it is good advise.

it will be interesting to see if the SL grows in sales. I have been using them this season and they have been a game changers for me. I think it will take a PRO winning with them for them to come to the forefront. Most of the golfing world is still very negative on the idea and they talk about they do not know. I heard a well known guy on one of the PGA radio shows the other day talking about SL irons and I he basically stated that they will never work because they will all go the same distance if you do not have the swing speed of a tour player. Nothing could be further from the truth, 80% of distance is due to the loft, then club length. Here is a past tour player, whom many people probably take his word as fact, and he just goes on and on about how the idea is silly, has been tried before, and you are just going to have people hitting all of their clubs the same length. I think they can simplify the game for a lot of people, but it will take a lot to overcome the stigma in the marketplace.

Great question and reading these answers has been very interesting. I lost my ACL playing ball in college in my left knee and I have been without it ever since, I am 51 now. Unfortunately I think my time of getting by without one may be ending as lately golf or any movement more than walking, is causing pain, and the knee is feeling very unstable as of late. I look forward to reading more responses, it may be time to go see a Dr.

I have been working on my game for the past few years and it is finally paying dividends I have played 28-35 rounds a year the past few years but have really worked on my driver, chipping and putting with weekly practice 3 years ago - i got fitted for a driver and learned how to hit it. I had played with a 3w for years and a mix of drivers, all either costing me distance or strokes due to OB shots. In that year 2 years ago - I worked hard on my putting and we th through about 5 putters lol. Prior to that I had used the same putter for 20 yrs! I settled on an Seemore FGP putter got my stroke back and lowered my putts per round. Between the driver and putter changes and practice, I dropped my handicap a few strokes. This year - I picked up new irons and I am hitting my irons straighter and with improved consistency. This year I have dropped my HC another 3 strokes and it is trending down still. I have shot in the 70's more this years than the last 4 years combined. I'm sure it is a combination of improvements but it seems that if my driver is really off on a day, it effects my scoring more than any other club in the bag. Putting it another way, my poor shots with my irons or putter do not cost me as many strokes as a driver in heavy rough, hit short, or worse OB.

I'll second the recommendation of a good fitting and I am also a fan of Wishon clubs. Over the past two years I have converted my whole bag (except putter) to wishon gear and I have been fortunate to drop my HC by 5 points. Through the fitting, I now play my driver, 4w and hybrid in shorter shaft lengths then I have ever played resulting in more consistency for me.

I purchased a Wishon driver 2 1/2 yrs ago and not only was it a great experience, it is the best performing driver I have ever played with. I played a 3w for a lot of years because I could not hit a driver so having a driver in my bag that I can actually hit fairways with has been remarkable. Since getting the driver, I added a hybrid and then a 4W, and this year I added the Wishon Single Length irons. I went from no wishon clubs to a full bag in 2 1/2 years lol. As much as I like the quality of what he sells, I truly believe the real value and game improvement comes from the fitting process that his fitters provide.

On your first question, it took me a few range sessions to get comfortable with them but I started having good rounds right away. I also went from steel to a lighter graphite shaft so I had to get used to a lower overall weight I always thought I was a pretty good iron player but these have really stepped up my game. I was a 10.2 HC when I got the SL irons. I shot a 76 and a 72 in my first three rounds (easy course at 68/114, but I had never shot under 77 in my life and would normally only shoot in the 70's a couple of times a season. Since the beginning of June, I have had 7 rounds in the 70's, one of them on a 71.6/136 course. To be fair, I have also had three 87's and a 92 over 17 rounds (that's golf) but my HC has dropped from a 10.2 to a 7 and I have never shot this many sub 80 rounds. I am tall and normally play 1/2" over std - 2 deg up, so I these made up 1/4" over 8 iron and 2 degrees up. I love the longer higher lofted clubs, they very comfortable for me. Unless things get crazy, I do not see myself going back to reg length irons any time soon. I play the 6-SW (7 clubs) that cover 175 yds and less, a hybrid, 4w and driver. I agree it is a commitment to try them due to the cost, but they have been a success in my eyes.

I'll chime in here as I have been playing a set of the Wishon Sterling irons in 6-SW since June of this year. I am 51 yrs old and have been playing golf since I was 15 yrs old. I was have played as low as an 8hc at times, and have been up around 13hc throughout periods of my life. I was a 10.2 hc at the end of May and since playing the SL irons, I have dropped my HC to a 7.2 and I have to give some of the credit to the irons. I no longer have mis hits or fat shots, my misses are generally in safe areas (i.e. Not on ob), and I have good control of my distances while hitting the ball really straight a majority of the time. For me, I think the consistent club length helps me with a consistent set up, ball position, and the same swing plane on my irons. They have also helped me get a consistent tempo throughout my set. I tended to try and over swing with my longer irons in the past. Regarding distances, the longer shafts on the SW, GW, pw and 9 have not been issues. In fact, considering the stronger lofts, I may even be hitting my wedges shorter than my previous set even though they have longer shafts. i can't explain that, but my distances are consistent so I am not really concerned with the numbers. They may not be for everyone, but they have flat out improved my consistency and thus my scoring.