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Advice on new clubs....just don't talk me out of buying....

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Hey guys, brief description of my situation: I've been working real diligently on my swing. Just spent some time with a pro and I'm hitting the ball better than ever. I was a bit of a sweeper/flipper and I've finally adopted a much better swing and actually compress the ball now. It's such an awesome feeling to solidly hit that damn ball and see a beautiful divot IN FRONT of the golf ball. Belt buckle in the air, weight forward...any way. I'm crazy about this life long game and will never leave it. Ok, sorry for the ramble. My question: I currently play Ping G25 irons. I bought these when I was getting back into golf for the whole game improvement factor. Yeah, great clubs but I'd like to well...ya know upgrade to a players club a bit. Something I'll keep for awhile. My thoughts: Ping i25's would be a small step up from what I've seen and read. Ping Anser's, and Titleist AP II 714's more players irons I believe. Obviously I'd hit these before buying. What are your thoughts on moving up from GI irons? I'm thinking of maybe a better feel, workability and power with this new proper swing with solid impact on the ball. There's gotta be a reason why good ball strikers use these "players irons" right? My confidence has really been boosted with my swing improvements. Your thoughts please.
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G25s are not necessarily GI irons. That is a very misleading term. As is the term "player's club". You have clearly been given some misinformation about "workability", feel and power.
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Yeah, as Shorty said there's a lot of variance. You're probably looking for something with a thinner top line and less offset. This can be had in a iron that still has a ton of forgiveness.
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So a thicker top edge and greater offset is not considered "GI"? G25's have been listed as GI irons on every website I've looked at, including PING. I guess the basic question is: what are golfers preferring who play the mistaken title of "players irons" other than just looks? If I've been misinformed, please elaborate. Thanks guys!
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I'm not a Ping guy. But I'm hearing great things about the S55s. Great turf interaction, long, straight, and forgiving.

If your striking the ball well, go demo the S55s.

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I play the i25's ... They work well for me ...

I suggest going somewhere and try different irons on a monitor .... because the numbers don't lie ... heck you may find you hit the g25 (or another brand) better ...

We all have "our" swings and skill levels ... and what we "think" is a good looking club at address ... plan some alone time with a golf club fitter guy/gal and see what works for you ... good luck!

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Definitely the best thing to do is hit different irons, regardless of what they designation is. Just find which ever ones fit your budget and give you the best results.

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So a thicker top edge and greater offset is not considered "GI"? G25's have been listed as GI irons on every website I've looked at, including PING.

I guess the basic question is: what are golfers preferring who play the mistaken title of "players irons" other than just looks?

If I've been misinformed, please elaborate. Thanks guys!

I would offer that the labels of "Players" "Game Improvement" and "Super GI" are mostly marketing and serve only a directional, rather than absolute, value in terms of evaluating the particular strengths of clubs. There's so much tech thrown into clubs that most clubs that are considered players' irons have many game improvement elements to add forgiveness while retaining traditional look and feel. At the same time, game improvement club manufacturers have had a big focus on improving look and feel to give an ego boost to players who need a lot of help from their clubs. So at the risk of stating the obvious, don't get hung up on manufacturer or publication labels of what's considered players' vs. GI as anything more than a jumping off point. Taylormade's SLDR and Callaway's Apex ranges are two examples that come to mind of irons that I would have a hard time placing definitively into either category. Both are incredibly awesome by the way; I tried them at the store along with a friend who is a very low handicapper, and we both loved them. Lots of clubs these days play great across a range of different handicaps. Try as many as you can, it's the best part of buying new clubs!

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I mean, I believe in always playing a forged iron for many reasons. First workability for the most part, and most importantly if I miss hit a shot with my titleist mb's im going to feel it, just like i felt the flushed 6 iron fly onto the green today in practice. Its just my .02

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Sound advice! Yeah, I guess I need to admit I have a bit of the bug for new clubs. My G25's were altered due to different fitters having different results. However my swing had vastly improved between fittings. Originally standard length black dot. Then advised to get 1" longer and green dot after a fitting session with lie board included. Still didn't feel right and my own impact tape was showing problems. So took 1" off. Then came golf lessons with an amazing pro and he spent more time with me than anyone. 3 day session 8hrs/day.....awesome. During this time we saw my clubs were too upright so he had them bent down for me. So now I'm essentially back to the original specs (I know it can't be exact). But I'm a little OCD that my clubs feel "ghetto" still having the green dot and having been bent. LOL.....I know, pretty silly. But I'm gonna try the S55's and some others and see how it goes. Thank you all for your input.
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Okay, I won't try to talk you out of buying new clubs.  After all, buying new clubs is sorta exciting and as long as you aren't using the house payment for them more power to you.  However, as you shop around I'd suggest not getting hung up on "player's clubs" vs "game improvement clubs" because the lines are blurry.  I'd also suggest that "workability" is something all irons have, though some are more easily "worked" than others.  However, saying in a review that a particular club is easily workable can be a nice way of saying that it is hard to hit straight...

If you like Ping (I do), I'd suggest that you take a look at the I25s.  They are more of a "player's" club while still having some forgiveness.  I think you would also do well to give the Titleist AP2s a try, but while you're at it give the AP1s a go too.  Yeah, they are Titleist's "game improvement" club, but they don't have huge offset and it is sort of melted in so it doesn't stick out like with some other clubs and I can vouch for their workability while still having a tendency to hit straight shots if you give them a chance.  (Straight is my preferred shot shape for most situations.)

With any of these clubs, or others that may be mentioned, it is important to understand that all come with various shaft options, though some of the big retail chains act like what's in stock is all that's available.  If you are going to spend the bucks for a nice new set of irons don't shortchange yourself by letting some sales clerk sell you what is handy without trying the various options.  After my fairly recent fitting for the AP1s (love 'em) I am pretty much of the opinion that the shaft selection is at least as important as the head/brand selection.

Good luck!  Let us know what you end up with.  Don't forget pictures! :dance:

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Definitely the best thing to do is hit different irons, regardless of what they designation is. Just find which ever ones fit your budget and give you the best results.

+1 @Vinsk , figure out your price point. Then go to the store and demo everything you can. Forget the brand, forget whether they are forged or cast, GI or players clubs. Buy the club that plays the best. I did this when I bought my last set of irons, ended up buying something I never thought I would buy, and I'm ok with that because I know my game is better because of it.

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I mean, I believe in always playing a forged iron for many reasons. First workability for the most part, and most importantly if I miss hit a shot with my titleist mb's im going to feel it, just like i felt the flushed 6 iron fly onto the green today in practice. Its just my .02

Here we go again. Add another to the list of deluded souls who believe that forged clubs do tihings they don't.

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Here we go again. Add another to the list of deluded souls who believe that forged clubs do tihings they don't.

What do you mean? I thought forged irons came with a -5 strokes a round guarantee?

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Alright guys, for let me clarify. Who can shape the ball better, a player with callaway diablo edges or a player with Mizuno MP4s. Exactly, its not the forging im talking about, it is the club head shape. Ping s55's were on my testing list as well. Now no one can deny the feed back you get with forged blades, it is just un real!

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Alright guys, for let me clarify. Who can shape the ball better, a player with callaway diablo edges or a player with Mizuno MP4s. Exactly, its not the forging im talking about, it is the club head shape. Ping s55's were on my testing list as well. Now no one can deny the feed back you get with forged blades, it is just un real!

A player who knows what he's doing can shape shots with both of those irons equally well. And as you said, forged means nothing with respect to club head shape.

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Now no one can deny the feed back you get with forged blades, it is just un real!

No-one except anyone who knows what they're talking about.

There are pages and pages about this on this site.

It simply isn't true.

But that isn't the topic of this thread.

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No good fitting facility around here. I'm moving to Denver in early August so I'm gonna do a dynamic fitting there and get the real deal. I've actually never experimented with shafts. I'd like to try some Project X styles. I'm talking irons. Will be interesting.
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