Does Club Length Effect The Swing Besides Control?

[saevel25]

I got a random thought. Just wanted to get some discussion on this. Would a longer club facilitate overswinging because it produces a larger lever arm from the clubhead to the wrists? Meaning, once the club starts to get to the top does the longer club make it harder to stop the swing shorter? 

[mvmac]

2 hours ago, saevel25 said:

I got a random thought. Just wanted to get some discussion on this. Would a longer club facilitate overswinging because it produces a larger lever arm from the clubhead to the wrists? Meaning, once the club starts to get to the top does the longer club make it harder to stop the swing shorter? 

I don't know about facilitating overswinging but full swings with a wedge are typically shorter than full swings with a driver.

[pganapathy]

It shouldn't make a difference unless you hinge your wrists differently or have different swings with longer and shorter clubs.  I definitely overswing all my clubs, irrespective of Driver or Wedge on a full swing.

[vangator]

I shorter shaft will produce a more vertical swing.  I think it is easier to judge having the ball closer to my feet.

[SavvySwede]

4 hours ago, vangator said:

I shorter shaft will produce a more vertical swing.  I think it is easier to judge having the ball closer to my feet.

Yeah, I think it's the fact that you can swing the longer clubs more around the body which causes the overswing. Only way I can think of to test the theory is to find a hill and tee up for a drive with the ball well below the feet and record it for comparison to a regular drive.

[vangator]

3 hours ago, SavvySwede said:

Yeah, I think it's the fact that you can swing the longer clubs more around the body which causes the overswing. Only way I can think of to test the theory is to find a hill and tee up for a drive with the ball well below the feet and record it for comparison to a regular drive.

That's a big reason I have the SL irons.  It really does make a big difference when you can hit a 5 iron on a 7 iron shaft.

[saevel25]

9 hours ago, vangator said:

That's a big reason I have the SL irons.  It really does make a big difference when you can hit a 5 iron on a 7 iron shaft.

Not something I would be interested in ;) 

13 hours ago, SavvySwede said:

Yeah, I think it's the fact that you can swing the longer clubs more around the body which causes the overswing. Only way I can think of to test the theory is to find a hill and tee up for a drive with the ball well below the feet and record it for comparison to a regular drive.

That's an interesting idea. It is harder to overswing the more vertical the arms get because there is more restriction on how far the left arm can move up. For Bubba to overswing he needs to get like 60-70 degrees of hip turn on the backswing. 

I was more talking in terms the momentum of the club if the club gets close to parallel is it easier to stop a shorter club than a longer club. 

[iacas]

2 hours ago, saevel25 said:

I was more talking in terms the momentum of the club if the club gets close to parallel is it easier to stop a shorter club than a longer club. 

It is, but also remember, a shorter club weighs more. A sand wedge weighs more than a driver.

[SavvySwede]

21 minutes ago, iacas said:

It is, but also remember, a shorter club weighs more. A sand wedge weighs more than a driver.

In actual weight yes but wasn't the swingweight scale designed to favor a slightly more hefty feel in the longer clubs to help amateurs? 

[mvmac]

49 minutes ago, SavvySwede said:

In actual weight yes but wasn't the swingweight scale designed to favor a slightly more hefty feel in the longer clubs to help amateurs? 

Most sets have consistent swingweights from long irons to the wedge.

[SavvySwede]

1 hour ago, mvmac said:

Most sets have consistent swingweights from long irons to the wedge.

What I'm saying is that a swingweight matched long iron has relatively more heft than one that is MOI matched to the other irons.

[GolfLug]

On ‎11‎/‎16‎/‎2015‎ ‎9‎:‎13‎:‎44‎, saevel25 said:

I got a random thought. Just wanted to get some discussion on this. Would a longer club facilitate overswinging because it produces a larger lever arm from the clubhead to the wrists? Meaning, once the club starts to get to the top does the longer club make it harder to stop the swing shorter? 

So since you are talking about backswing stop (start of transition?) IMHO, yes. Just theorizing here - I think it is more dead weight related as opposed to swing weight.  

A longer/lighter club as a wedge to feel the same level of load at top, you would have to 'cantilever' it more, i.e, extend more from support (hands) to feel comparatively loaded. I think... 

 

[iacas]

9 hours ago, SavvySwede said:

In actual weight yes but wasn't the swingweight scale designed to favor a slightly more hefty feel in the longer clubs to help amateurs? 

Swingweight is simply a measure of the lever. You place a fulcrum 14 inches from the BOC and the amount of force the "head" side exerts (a measure of the length and mass) will determine the swing weight. So, lighter weights with longer levers (drivers) can have the same swing weight as heavier weights with shorter levers (wedges).

[SavvySwede]

1 hour ago, iacas said:

Swingweight is simply a measure of the lever. You place a fulcrum 14 inches from the BOC and the amount of force the "head" side exerts (a measure of the length and mass) will determine the swing weight. So, lighter weights with longer levers (drivers) can have the same swing weight as heavier weights with shorter levers (wedges).

The swingweight scale was created to approximate MOI matching. But unlike MOI matching where clubs swing very much the same, swingweight is skewed to be a bit heavier feeling on longer clubs. I'm just thinking this may be a possible contributor to overswinging.