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Tiger could well win the most PGA tourneys in a career, he could well win the most majors, but there is one record that may be problematic, in my opinion.

Tiger would have to win three more British Opens to pass ... Tom Watson. Watson may or may not have the most Open victories, but he has won 5 of them, while Tiger has 3. Given the strange things that can happen at the oldest major, I wonder if even the great Tiger can surpass Watson? Just wondering...

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Jack's 19 runner-up finishes at majors is a record I don't see Tiger getting.

He also won't get the record for the most money in a season without a win.

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Oooh, you mean a record he might actually want... in that case, I agree with this:

Byron Nelson’s streak of eleven (11) consecutive PGA Tournament victories is a record that will be tough to top.

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agree with above. He won't set any records for driving accuracy. What is the record for most PGA tour wins in a season. If Tiger doesn't have it already, he never will. I forsee him playing 15 tourneys tops (including the majors and his tourney) from now on.

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Very good that you guys pointed out the most difficult remaining record (I think so as well): Byron Nelson's 11. Watson's 5 Opens has to move to second in my guess book.

Jack's second place finishes are amazing, but... second, while great, is not like winning. I used to joke that I had a trophy case full of second places in all kinds of sports (and a few firsts) and the second place ones were not much fun to remember. Why didn't that last putt fall, why didn't that last backhand catch the line, why didn't I tack sooner, why didn't I keep that fastball more inside, why didn't that jump shot stay in? Second is... well, second place, not first. Ha ha, and I'm just a hacker. I think someone so much higher in competitive fire like Tiger thinks of second as just another non-first outing, not a great pay day (like any normal person would.)

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agree with above. He won't set any records for driving accuracy. What is the record for most PGA tour wins in a season. If Tiger doesn't have it already, he never will. I forsee him playing 15 tourneys tops (including the majors and his tourney) from now on.

I believe it is 18 by Nelson, the same year he won 11 in a row.

However, several of those were with a partner, Jug McSpadden, in team competition. (McSpadden was somehow related to my uncle, my dad's sister's husband; but I am not sure how, maybe his brother or a cousin).
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Tiger could well win the most PGA tourneys in a career, he could well win the most majors, but there is one record that may be problematic, in my opinion.

Harry Vardon won six Open Championships. Tom Watson is tied for second with Peter Thomson, James Braid, and J H Taylor (both Braid and Taylor were members of the "Great Triumvirate" with Vardon). So Tiger has to win six to tie and seven to be the record holder.

As to the question of the toughest record, my answer is three, and two of them are held by Lord Byron and Tiger cannot never break the third: 1. Most consecutive PGA Tour victories---eleven, set by Byron Nelson in 1945. 2. Most PGA Tour victories in one year---eighteen, set by Byron Nelson in 1945. 3. Grand Slam---winning the two Open Championships (US and The Open Championship, as run by the Royal and Ancient) and the two National Amateurs (US and British) in one calendar year---set by Robert Tyre Jones, Jr. in 1930. Tiger would have had to accomplish this before turning pro, and he failed in the effort, and now it is too late. No one has won the Professional Grand Slam--win the four Professional Majors in one calendar year. Only Ben Hogan has won the first three, and he did that in 1953. He could not play in the PGA Championship because it actually conflicted with the Open Championship, which he won at Carnoustie in the only attempt he ever made to win that Major. The only golfers to win the first two Professional Majors in one calendar year were Craig Wood (in 1940, and he was the first), Arnie (1960), Jack(1972), and Tiger (2002). Jack was stopped by Lee Trevino at Muirfield from tieing Hogan's record of winning the first three, and Tiger was stopped at the same course by Ernie Els in 2002. Hogan stands alone by winning the first three in one calendar year. 1953 was quite a year for Hogan. His victory in the US Open was the fourth in his career, and he holds the most, along with Jack, Willie Anderson, and Robert Tyre Jones, Jr. Not only did Hogan have a 100% winning percentage in Majors played, he also won 5 of the 6 tournaments he was physically capable of playing in (83.3% winning percentage). As pointed out above, he went "across the pond" to play in the Open Championship for his first and only attempt to win the Oldest Major. He was told to go by Gene Sarazen, who told him he would never be considered one of the Greatest Golfers of all time unless he won it. So, the pressure was on, since he made it clear he would never return, no matter what. Not only did he win, he set a course record in the final round at the "meanest" of the all the courses in the rota, but also set a tournament record. The Scottish fans took a fancy to the the "Wee Ice Mon" because he was so tough and courageous playing on legs that had been mangled in the head on car crash that almost took his life in 1949. It was because of the constant pain in his legs that he played in only six tournaments that year.

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Hogan stands alone by winning the first three in one calendar year.

And Tiger stands alone for winning the last three in one year, and for holding all four major titles at the same time.

You're older, PEZ, but that should give you greater appreciation for Tiger, not less. Yet you seem to continually gloss over Tiger's accomplishments while talking up Hogan, etc.

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And Tiger stands alone for winning the last three in one year, and for holding all four major titles at the same time.

Tiger is one of the greatest golfers who has ever played the game. There are times that some people tend ot overlook the accomplishments of the old-time greats, and I do try to "set the record straight". That is not intended to belittle what Tiger has done. He has not only won the second highest number of professional Majors, but has run away with some of them. His win in this year's United States Open at Torrey Pines was truly awesome, and I freely acknowledge that. Like everyone else, I was amazed at his ability to play so well while in obvious pain.

There are some, and this does not include you, who do not know enough about the old time greats, and that disappoints me. It is similar to someone discussing Presidents of the U. S. and not mentioning Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson, or Teddy Roosevelt.

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Harry Vardon won six Open Championships. Tom Watson is tied for second with Peter Thomson, James Braid, and J H Taylor (both Braid and Taylor were members of the "Great Triumvirate" with Vardon). So Tiger has to win six to tie and seven to be the record holder.

Lets be honest here, Tiger was stopped by that weather, he shot 81 on saturday, then 65 on sunday.
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The record that Tiger may have the most trouble breaking in my opinion is Harry Vardon's six Open championships.... He will undoubtedly win more than 4 U.S. Opens... He may win as many as six... the masters he will at least tie Jack... and he may win 10 you never know with him... the PGA he may tie at Hazeltine in August... But the Open with its varying conditions... Tiger may get to 4 or 5... he needs to win somewhere other than St. Andrews... and Liverpool... maybe I don't know Muirfield in 2012... might be Number 5... They have the Open on this 10 year Rotation that doesn't fit Tiger winning more than 5...

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Lets be honest here,

The weather may have been worse for Tiger than Ernie during the third round (depending on their tee times), but here are three observations:

`1. Ernie won in a four man playoff, with the others being Stuart Appleby, Steve Elkington, and Thomas Levet, all of whom shot 278, while Tiger scored 284. 2. Ernie was very steady with scores of 70-66-72-70. 3. Tiger's 81 in the third round was one of the highest scores that anyone shot that day. Surely, others in the field were experiencing the same nasty weather, and yet a number of players shot 68. The bottom line is simple: Tiger had to win to tie Ben Hogan, and he failed to do that. That does not mean he is not a great golfer. It simply means that winning all four professional Majors in the same calendar year has never been done, and it is an extremely difficult task. Can Tiger do it? Time will tell, as it always does. The fact tha Hogan did it is a tribute to his greatness, given the physical problems with his legs, and his constant pain. As Mike Souchak said, and Sam Snead and others agreed as well, "Ben Hogan knows something about hitting golf balls that the rest of us don't know." One of his outstanding characteristics was persistence, and he truly had an "iron will".

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Jack Nicklaus and Arnold Palmer both won atleast one PGA Tour event for 17 consecutive years.

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Jack Nicklaus and Arnold Palmer both won atleast one PGA Tour event for 17 consecutive years.

Tiger is already up to 13 straight years, so...

On this note, what's the record for most consecutive years winning a major? I couldn't find any info on this, so I've created this list (which probably is missing a few entries): 8 Years : Bobby Jones (1923-30)* 6 Years : Walter Hagen (1924-9) 4 Years : Jack Nicklaus (1970-3) Tom Watson (1980-3) Tiger Woods (1999-2002; 2005-2008) 3 Years : Young Tom Morris (1868-70)** Jamie Anderson (1877-9) Bob Ferguson (1880-2) Harry Vardon (1888-900) Willie Anderson (1903-5) Ralph Guldahl (1937-9) Peter Thompson (1954-6) Arnold Palmer (1960-2) Jack Nicklaus (1965-7) Phil Mickelson (2004-6) * This figure includes the US and British Amateurs; it probably isn't fair that I counted these tournaments for no one but Jones. In strictly professional majors, Jones's best streak is two years (achieved twice). ** Because there were no majors held in 1871, and Young Tom won the Open in 1872, one could say that he won a major for four straight years in which a major was held . -------------- I doubt that Tiger could ever surpass Jones's record of 8 straight years in which he won at least 1 major ; since Tiger currently sits on 4 straight years with a major, he would need to win one every year through 2013 to overtake Jones. Possible (especially since he's Tiger), but IMO unlikely. Exceeding Hagen's mark of 6 straight years with a professional major seems a more feasible task -- Tiger could pass the Haig in 2011. Alex

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