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Boeing777 Well Established Member

Boeing777

I'm really disappointed that my new irons, AP1. Are made in china, and the shaft is made in japan. It would been be nice to see the sticker say made in USA.

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chilly Dedicated Member

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I'm with you there, it's basically impossible to find any that are manufactured here, sometimes they will say "Assembled in the US" but that's still disappointing.

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3w: CB1 15* Grafalloy Prolaunch Platinum 75s
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3h: HiFli CLK 20* UST V2 Hybrid
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WUTiger Incredible Member

WUTiger

Last mainline golf club maker which manufactured its clubs all in USA was MacGregor. As of now, MacG is on hiatus as acquirer Golfsmith ponders its future role.

It all comes down to a dollar here or there. A marketing magazine had an article a few years back on the economics of golf club head manufacturing (unfortunately, I didn't save it and can't find it now.) One of the big guys (maybe Titleist or TaylorMade) decided the lower manufacturing costs in China more than made up for the fact the design would get ripped off and counterfeited along the Asian Rim.

Big guys are worried that a USA mfg set-up might push their costs to, say, $20 a unit above that of a competitor; would people pay $20 more for a USA-made driver?

Then, we have people on this forum who find a $95 TailorMaid Burnar driver on line in Hong Kong, buy it, and then are surprised when they find out it's not the real deal.

Outside of golf, I talked to a guy who did contracting work for a St. Louis-based small tool firm. STL firm discovered that a new Chinese competitor had total Cost of Goods Sold (total mfg costs - parts, labor, in-house handling) per unit which was lower than the Direct Materials Cost (metal and plastic) of the STL firm's products. The STL firm got out of actual manufacturing and now serves as more of a broker for tools.

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Chief Broom Great Member

Chief Broom

I'm really disappointed that my new irons, AP1. Are made in china, and the shaft is made in japan. It would been be nice to see the sticker say made in USA.

Titelist's parent company is European. Ping is probably the biggest US golf company. My 6i came with a little American flag sticker on the shaft.

Nike Vapor Speed driver 12* stock regular shaft
Nike Machspeed 4W 17*, 7W 21* stock stiff shafts
Ping i10 irons 4-9, PW, UW, SW, LW AWT stiff flex
Titleist SC Kombi 35"; Srixon Z Star XV tour yellow

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sean_miller Incredible Member

sean_miller

Titelist's parent company is European. Ping is probably the biggest US golf company. My 6i came with a little American flag sticker on the shaft.

My "made in China" Ben Hogan caps have an American flag embroidered on the back.

Mizuno MP600 driver, Cleveland '09 Launcher 3-wood, Callaway FTiz 18 degree hybrid, Cleveland TA1 3-9, Scratch SS8620 47, 53, 58, Cleveland Classic 2 mid-mallet, Bridgestone B330S, Sun Mountain four5.

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pingman Well Established Member

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I'm really disappointed that my new irons, AP1. Are made in china, and the shaft is made in japan. It would been be nice to see the sticker say made in USA.

PING manufactures and assembles every irons, wedges, and putters in their Phoenix facility. The drivers, woods, and hybrids are made in China, I believe, due to US restricions on alloys and metals in the country. Something like that. However they are assembled in their Phoenix facility as well.

In My Under Armour Links Stand Bag or PING Hoofer Vantage Team Bag :
i15 9.5°, Project X Graphite -7A3 | i15 15.5°, Project X Graphite -8A4 | S57 2 - PW, Project X 6.5 | Tour-W 56.10/60.8 Project X 6.5 | Redwood Black Satin Anser | Titleist Black | Golf Pride Tour Velvet Round Grips With Logo...

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goblue107501 Great Member

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Not to sound too harsh, but what did you expect? If you looked at the clubs in a store it would have had the sticker on them there. Nothing is made in America anymore.

I could go on a big economic rant about it, but I won't. It is just a given that most everything we buy is made in China. Looking around my office I found 11 items made in China. Computer monitor, printer, 3 bobbleheads, a pen holder, 3 golf bags, and a calculator. 2 other items are made in Mexico. Cell phone and office phone. I will by American if I can find it, but for the most part it isn't worth the hassle to search it out anymore.

I will judge my rounds much more by the quality of my best shots than the acceptability of my worse ones.

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wolverine_man Dedicated Member

wolverine_man

I would gladly pay $20 more to buy a driver made in the USA. As it stands now, I believe all of my clubs were made in Japan, except for my putter in the USA and my driver in China. Correction, I believe my gap wedge is also Chinese.

In a staff blue  Aerolite III

Razr Hawk 10.5* (BB 63 S)
Orig Steelhead 4W 16.8* (F)
Orig Steelhead 7W 20* (M-10)
 JPX-800 Pro 4-pw (XP S300)

 MP-T Blk Ni 51.06, MP-T Blk Ni 56.14, MP-T Blk Ni 58.10

  Bettinardi BC-1 (34")

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Zeph Incredible Member

Zeph

Who cares... Don't we want the best equipment, regardless of brand or manufacturer?

Everything is made in China, Taiwan, Japan etc. today. It's cheaper and more efficient.

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GTV8 Member

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PING manufactures and assembles every irons, wedges, and putters in their Phoenix facility. The drivers, woods, and hybrids are made in China, I believe, due to US restricions on alloys and metals in the country. Something like that. However they are assembled in their Phoenix facility as well.

Are you sure? My understanding is that the Rapture, i15 and S series irons are manufactured in China. Basically anything with Tungsten or Titanium in them is made in China.

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wolverine_man Dedicated Member

wolverine_man

Who cares... Don't we want the best equipment, regardless of brand or manufacturer?

Actually, Japan is no longer the cheap source of manufacturing. Time was, Japan made all of the cheap toys, plastic items, etc. Now all of those items that need to be manufactured cheaply are made in China, Taiwan, Vietnam, Cambodia, etc. Things that are still made in Japan cost a premium (golf clubs, select electronics). Things made in the U.S. also command a premium (U.S. made Levis, etc.) Most of the time, I am willing to pay that premium, which is why I buy suits made in the USA (sometime Italy). Many consumers, however, would just assume save even $5 if it meant buying a club made in China.

However, I do see a decline in prices for golf equipment and some of that has to do with decreasing production costs and some to do with the lowering of prices due to competition on e-bay and the overall downturn of the economy. I remember paying $300 back in 1996 for my demoed Yonex Super ADX Titanium driver, which incidentally was made in Japan. That was $300 for a used club. Last year and 13 years later, I finally bought a new driver for $130, which was made in China.

In a staff blue  Aerolite III

Razr Hawk 10.5* (BB 63 S)
Orig Steelhead 4W 16.8* (F)
Orig Steelhead 7W 20* (M-10)
 JPX-800 Pro 4-pw (XP S300)

 MP-T Blk Ni 51.06, MP-T Blk Ni 56.14, MP-T Blk Ni 58.10

  Bettinardi BC-1 (34")

TM TP Black

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Gordon McTavish Well Established Member

Gordon McTavish

I'm really disappointed that my new irons, AP1. Are made in china, and the shaft is made in japan. It would been be nice to see the sticker say made in USA.

I could be wrong, but I think Nippon is a Japanese company. So if you have the stock shafts with the new AP1, then it kind of makes sense that they were built in Japan.

I'm from the UK, but I agree that it would be nice to see "Made in USA" occasionally!
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beisenhauer Well Established Member

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Titelist's parent company is European.

Acushnet (parent company of Titleist, Cobra and Footjoy) is based in Fairhaven, Mass.

Brad Eisenhauer

In my bag:
Driver: Callaway Hyper X 10° | Fairway Wood: GigaGolf PowerMax GX920 3W (15°) | Hybrid: GigaGolf PowerMax GX920 3 (20°)
Irons: Mizuno MX-25 4-PW | Wedges: GigaGolf Tradition SGS Black 52°, 56°, 60° | Putter: GigaGolf CenterCut Classic SP3

Ball: Titleist ProV1x or Bridgestone B330S

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kfowler Great Member

kfowler

To be honest concerning golf clubs, all I care about is that they're made with good quality. I really don't care where they come from.

Kevin

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Driver: G15 9.0*3 & 5 Wood: BurnerHybrid: Pro Gold 20*; 23*Irons: MP-58 (5-PW)Wedges: Vokey Spin Milled 52*8; 56*14Putter: Newport 2.0 33"Balls: NXT

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granitegolf Well Established Member

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I'm really disappointed that my new irons, AP1. Are made in china, and the shaft is made in japan. It would been be nice to see the sticker say made in USA.

That a big part of why I ordered my brand new AP2s with the Project X 5.5s. right on the PX sticker is a big fat "made in the USA"

In the bag-

Driver- Ping Anser 9.5  Diamana Ahina
3 Wood-RBZ tour 15
Hybrid-RBZ tour 4 Irons-  Ping I20s 4-GW with soft stepped X100sWedges 58 and 54 SM4s with soft stepped X100s Putter- Ping TR Senita

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Robielucy Member

Robielucy

My beloved Chuck Taylor Converse sneakers of my youth proudly had a Made In the USA icon...recently I noticed they no longer wear such a mark....such is the changing tides. I remember when a Made In Japan car was considered cheap and a piece of junk....man, wish my brother in law was alive to see what happened there!

My Spalding iron were made in the USA, and my Top Flites have a Made in China sticker...yet, they both hit the ball the same.
Being retired, $$$ play an issue on my golf purchases. not that I have many.....balls, gloves, tee's mainly.

But one thing to consider...yes stuff is made over the great waters....but where did you make your purchase? In the good ole' USA. Salespeople are working....keep buying in the USA!
My 2 cents.

Swing Happy My Friends!

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GaijinGolfer Super Member

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I agree that it would be great if they were made in the USA, but the manufacturing costs are so much cheaper in countries like China, especially for casting that when a company is looking for ways to reduce their operation costs it makes a lot of sense for them to make their stuff in China.
At least your Titleist irons were ASSEMBLED in the USA.

Whats in my :sunmountain: C-130 cart bag?

Woods: :mizuno: JPX 850 9.5*, :mizuno: JPX 850 15*, :mizuno: JPX-850 19*, :mizuno: JPX Fli-Hi #4, :mizuno: JPX 800 Pro 5-PW, :mizuno: MP T-4 50-06, 54-09 58-10, :cleveland: Smart Square Blade and :bridgestone: B330-S

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