Jump to content
Check out the Spin Axis Podcast! ×
Note: This thread is 1532 days old. We appreciate that you found this thread instead of starting a new one, but if you plan to post here please make sure it's still relevant. If not, please start a new topic. Thank you!

Recommended Posts

  • Administrator
Posted

Edit: go here now for the latest data as of February, 2022:

Edit: Updated data for 2013.

Edit #2: Updated Data for 2017

ClSd - Clubhead Speed
BlSd - Ball Speed
AoA - Angle of Attack
VLa - Vertical Launch Angle
Spin - Spin Rate (total)
MH - Maximum Height of Ball (yards)
Carry - Carry (yards)

/uploads/imageproxy/trackman_pga_vs_lpga_data.jpg.e2e68a5b8b48e9df154bd3e33b9442c7.jpg

Erik J. Barzeski —  I knock a ball. It goes in a gopher hole. 🏌🏼‍♂️
Director of Instruction Golf Evolution • Owner, The Sand Trap .com • AuthorLowest Score Wins
Golf Digest "Best Young Teachers in America" 2016-17 & "Best in State" 2017-20 • WNY Section PGA Teacher of the Year 2019 :edel: :true_linkswear:

Check Out: New Topics | TST Blog | Golf Terms | Instructional Content | Analyzr | LSW | Instructional Droplets

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Posted
I think the math is wrong on the pga driver & 3 wood smash factor but nevertheless it's interesting to see the LPGA...absolutley possibe to have a+ hndp w/ a low 90 driver club head speed. ha ha there is hope!!

Posted
Very interesting. I would like to see how the GIR and fairways hit percentages compare.

Driver: Burner 10.5 deg
5W: R7 18 deg
3H: Idea Tech
4-PW: MP-57
GW: Vokey 52 degSW: 56 degLW: 60 degPutter: Black Series 1 34"Ball: Pro V1


Posted
The thing that stands out to me is the attack angle particularly with the driver. I am surprised they don't hit down on it as much with the shorter clubs as well. I wonder if it takes more speed to get through the turf so men can take bigger divots?? Not really sure, just a thought. Other than that it is what I would expect. More speed and spin for the boys, they both hit it very solid.

Brian


Posted

Looks like I am going to have to get my PW swing speed up so I can hang with the big boys...everything else is dead on with my stats!

|Callaway I-MIX FT-9  - Driver | Callaway Diablo Octane - 3 Wood | Callaway Diablo Edge Tour [3H & 4H] - Hybrids | Callaway X-forged 2009 - Irons | Callaway JAWS [52, 56, 60] - Wedges | SC Studio Style Newport 2 / Laguna 1.5 / Kombi-S - Putter |
 


Posted
Very interesting, thanks for posting. Things I found interesting:

1.) The guys hit their drivers with a slight descending strike on average.
2.) The max height floats around 30 yards for every club in the bag.
3.) Carry distances are somewhat shorter than announcers on TV tend to make them seem. (And for the ladies wow that is pretty short!)
Scott T

G5 9° V2 75 X / 909F2 15.5° V2 85 X / 909H 19° V2 100 X / MP-33 #3-PW X100 / X-Forged Chrome 54.15 60.10 X100 / FGP Black 34" / Penta TP

Handicap is a guess because I haven't established one yet.Best score so far is a 71 on a 6,509 yard 70.3/121 par 72 muni, during a glorious...

Posted
That is pretty amazing that they hit a 3 iron as high as wedge IMO. Maybe it is my visual perception but rarely do I hit a long iron that appears to go as high as a wedge. It does hit its peak much farther away but I am pretty sure even my best long iron doesn't fly as high as a wedge.

Brian


Posted
3.) Carry distances are somewhat shorter than announcers on TV tend to make them seem. (And for the ladies wow that is pretty short!)

Was thinking that too.I initially thought that might be wrong.But trackman can't be wrong.. How much roll would you expect to add onto that?

A great shot is when you go for it and pull it off. A smart shot is when you don't have the guts to try it. ~ Phil Mickelson.

 

Posted
It is the average. On tournaments we often see the best players, many who hit it pretty far. On approach shots or par 3s, they have little or no roll, sometimes backspin. On one par 3 there can be 3 clubs difference from a power hitter to a guy like Furyk or Stricker.

Ogio Grom | Callaway X Hot Pro | Callaway X-Utility 3i | Mizuno MX-700 23º | Titleist Vokey SM 52.08, 58.12 | Mizuno MX-700 15º | Titleist 910 D2 9,5º | Scotty Cameron Newport 2 | Titleist Pro V1x and Taylormade Penta | Leupold GX-1

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Posted
My carry distances are almost exactly half-way between a LPGA and PGA player. I consider that pretty good.

Driver: Burner 10.5 deg
5W: R7 18 deg
3H: Idea Tech
4-PW: MP-57
GW: Vokey 52 degSW: 56 degLW: 60 degPutter: Black Series 1 34"Ball: Pro V1


Posted

All i can say is that my numbers would be extremely competitive... I had no idea.... this is really encouraging... I think I have a future on the tour.....

Anyone know the number of a good sex change doctor????

Lightweight Cart Bag
Scotty Cameron Putter (several models unfortunately)studio stock 4
AP2 Irons 4-PW
ProV1X Balls
2 and 3 TP Rescue07 Burner TP 9.560, 56, 52 CG 12 WedgesOld man CartSi vis pacem, para bellum


Posted
Anyone know the number of a good sex change doctor????

20 years ago on the LPGA you wouldn't need one.

Driver: Burner 10.5 deg
5W: R7 18 deg
3H: Idea Tech
4-PW: MP-57
GW: Vokey 52 degSW: 56 degLW: 60 degPutter: Black Series 1 34"Ball: Pro V1


Posted
That is pretty amazing that they hit a 3 iron as high as wedge IMO. Maybe it is my visual perception but rarely do I hit a long iron that appears to go as high as a wedge. It does hit its peak much farther away but I am pretty sure even my best long iron doesn't fly as high as a wedge.

I hit my long irons as high as my wedges, or nearly as high. I think it's all about technique. I intentionally loft my long irons as high as I possibly can, while keeping the wedges farther back in the stance. I think the tour players do that so they can hold greens with long irons, which is also why I do it.

I come close to the mens average, but a little lower in most respects. The clubhead speed is about the same, but smash factor, ballspeed, and carry distance for me are lower, launch angle is higher, difference is, of course, consistency and avoiding the blow ups.

Posted
Great data. I am right around the average PGA player with driver clubhead speed, but I can't compare other clubs and categories of data since I haven't been in front of a launch monitor for anything other than the big stick. I would love to see my data under the Trackman.

While I knew there was a big difference regarding clubhead speed for PGA and LPGA, I did not realize there was such a disparity in the attack angles. I was really surprised to see the average LPGA player hits their driver on an ascending blow (if that's what +3 degrees attack angle means). The 30-yard max height for all clubs was a little surprising at first, but I guess that is probably due to visual perception of the hitter since the 3-iron reaches its max height much further away than the PW does (as leftygolfer eluded to). I do hit my long irons pretty high as well.

"I'm not going left or right of those trees, okay. I'm going over those trees...with a little draw." ~ Tin Cup


Posted
My numbers are very similar to the LPGA numbers as far as carry distances, probably that 220 carry with the driver probably equates to about 240-245 total distance, which would be a great drive for me, and about 220 for 3 wood, again about what i get with good contact, and so on, down through all the irons. Its just that they hit them much more accurately than I do, hitting greens, that make them much better players than me.

In my bag
Driver-top flite cannon 460 cc 10.5 deg, reg flex
3 Wood-ACUITY GOLF RCX 14°
3h-warrior golf tcp 20°
4h-warrior golf tcp 23°5h-warrior golf tcp 26° 6-pw-AFFINITY / ORLIMAR HT2 SERIES irons steel shafts regular flex56° sw-tour seriesram puttergolf balls-intech beta ti


Posted
This info is really interesting. First, that all clubs from PW through Driver reach almost the same elevation. At first, I thought that must be impossible, but then I took a look at the launch angles of the short irons.

If I am interpreting the data correctly, it goes like this: Say my PW has 48 degrees of loft. If I hit it at exactly the bottom of my swing and perfectly horizontal (no delofting) the launch angle would be 48 degrees, right? OK, so the PGA tour guys hit their PWs on a -5 degree angle of attack. Sounds about right, they hit the ball before the bottom of their swing. What is amazing to me is that, in order to get a launch angle of 24 degrees, they have to deloft their PW 19 degrees at impact! Basically, they turn their PW into a 6 or 7 iron at impact.

Am I missing something here?

Driver 905S, V2 stiff shaft
3-Wood 906F2 13 degree, V2 stiff
Hybrid 585H 21 degree, Aldila VS Proto
Irons (4-PW) MP-57, Rifle 5.5
SW & LW spin milledPutter TracyBall Pro V-1


Posted
This info is really interesting. First, that all clubs from PW through Driver reach almost the same elevation. At first, I thought that must be impossible, but then I took a look at the launch angles of the short irons.

Yes, something big. The loft angle is not equal to the launch angle. The direction of force also plays a role in the launch angle. If a 48° pitching wedge hit the ball perfectly square, with no delofting, at a 0° attack angle, the launch angle would only be about 33°. That number also depends on other factors, like characteristic time.

This chart really makes you laugh at the threads like "how far do you hit your driver." The best players in the world, generating 112 mph of clubhead speed somehow hit it shorter than the members of this forum.

Posted
[QUOTE=Shanks A Million;416173]Yes, something big. The loft angle is not equal to the launch angle. The direction of force also plays a role in the launch angle. If a 48° pitching wedge hit the ball perfectly square, with no delofting, at a 0° attack angle, the launch angle would only be about 33°. That number also depends on other factors, like characteristic time.

OK, this is interesting stuff. I'm not familiar with the term "charactertistic time". Does that refer to the time the ball is compressed against the clubface?

You are right that I did not consider that just the mere force of impact will cause both the ball and the shaft to deform.

Driver 905S, V2 stiff shaft
3-Wood 906F2 13 degree, V2 stiff
Hybrid 585H 21 degree, Aldila VS Proto
Irons (4-PW) MP-57, Rifle 5.5
SW & LW spin milledPutter TracyBall Pro V-1


Note: This thread is 1532 days old. We appreciate that you found this thread instead of starting a new one, but if you plan to post here please make sure it's still relevant. If not, please start a new topic. Thank you!
Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.


  • Want to join this community?

    We'd love to have you!

    Sign Up
  • TST Partners

    Carl's Place
    PlayBetter
    Golfer's Journal
    ShotScope
    The Stack System
    FitForGolf
    FlightScope Mevo

    Coupon Codes (save 10-20%): "IACAS" for Mevo/Stack/FitForGolf, "IACASPLUS" for Mevo+/Pro Package, and "THESANDTRAP" for ShotScope. 15% off TourStriker (no code).
  • Posts

    • I am wondering if this is worth asking ShotScope (the company) about.  I have been thinking of my short game a bit and looked at my statistics.  Compared to a 10 handicap (I am a 10.9 as I type this), past ten rounds, I am losing 0.06 in short game.   That's close enough that I want to look at myself now compared to a 5 here.  Losing 0.55, that tracks, and now I want to see where. From the rough, I'm gaining 0.03.  Cool.  From the fairway, I'm losing 0.13 ; some practice and being more certain of my quarter and half swing distances will shore that up I think.   Bunker, -0.45;  I could have guessed that.    I have one greenside bunker shot per round average (if I'm reading this correctly) in the last ten rounds and it appears it wasn't a particularly good shot (when I won my flight of my club championship a few years ago, 54 holes stroke play, I hit into zero bunkers the entire tournament;  that's my favorite kind of bunker play).  That's cool, and I love the drill from LSW about long bunker shots.  And I do try to prioritize not hitting into bunkers, and when I'm in one, my goal is get out to where I can two putt or, failing that, to where a decent putter (which I strive to be soon) can two putt.  Getting up and down is a bonus, and I haven't holed out from a bunker in over 15 years.    And then we have distance, where every short game range outside of 10 yards, I'm losing to the 5 handicap, and not gaining all that much inside 10 yards.   10-20 yards is the most concerning, at -0.30.  My quarter 58-degree is 20 yards, so these are more touch shots, something I don't really practice (I have a few estimates for what eighth shots do, which I don't have a better term for other than "using this wedge, imagine it's a long putt motion.") I wish I had a grid:  for each distance gradient, for each short-game lie type, how's my SG?  Are my losses primarily a bunch of bad bunker shots with some decent-to-good not-bunker shots or do I have some distance from the fairway/rough where I have plenty of room for improvement?   This isn't quite the joke about Game Golf telling me to improve at 25-50 yard shots from the other to gain 0.2 strokes per round, but something in between is what I'd like to know. 
    • Day 15, April 23.  I have spent over an hour hitting balls today in my practice area;  primarily 6-iron, the usual drill.  I have noticed that when I take a backswing and check the mirror, I've stopped well short of parallel, but when I record it, I'm getting to parallel.  Maybe something quantum is going on? 
    • The last episode with distance wedges reminded me I really need to dial in mine.   I was looking at my strokes gained: approach data, which in ShotScope is 50-225+ yards.  Compared to a 10 handicap (I'm a 10.9 as I type this), last ten rounds, my only area in strokes gained: approach where I'm not gaining over a 10 handicap is 50-100, and I'm considerably worse from 50-75 than 75-100  (-0.37 v -0.14).  Compare the same range to a 5 handicap, and I have two ranges from outside of 100 where I'm at -0.04 and -0.01 (which does NOT bother me;  I'm sure I'll be fine in those before I start really getting to the point of challenging the 5 baseline), and also the 50-100 are the only ones where I'm losing more than 0.04 to a 5 handicap.  The thing is, I think I'd have known something was up even without the data, but I'm glad for the data.  I'm pretty sure that what I think of as a half swing with my PW is about 50 yards, and the same swing with my 9-iron is about 65.  I could probably do 75 or so, same swing, 8-iron.  My gap wedge is 85-90 yards on a "full swing" (I don't take a full swing with 9 on down, I flight, something I think I got from Erik years ago) and I think a similar swing with the 54 goes 75.   I also think my worst full swing clubs are the wedges.  Maybe my next Skillest lesson, I should add a video of me hitting a full swing gap wedge (in addition to normal lesson recordings) and ask about it.  Back to the topic.  The episode discussed some practice-at-home for those shots, and I should go back and listen (and then get what I need for that).  I've been thinking of revamping my home practice area, maybe getting some sort of launch monitor for home (although that may necessitate moving the practice setup to the garage, which maybe I should do, and then I could hit driver and fairway woods too).  Maybe I'd be getting that to practice my partial wedges;  I wonder how many people buy launch monitors for that purpose.
    • I don't dislike them, but I don't play in them enough to have a real feel for them. I really don't like the SWAT format.  The D player is almost never going to have the low gross on a hole, almost certainly not the unique low score.  A net version of SWAT is something I could handle I think.  A similar format that I came to really enjoy is a 1-2-3 tournament, which my club used to do once or twice a year at some city courses (might still do, I have been inactive in the club and am just getting back in now).  Each foursome is a team.  On hole 1, the best (net) score from the group counts for the "team" score.  On hole two, the two best count.  On hole three, the three best.  Then on hole four, we're back to the best one, and we repeat that pattern for all 18.   My first time playing in such an event, the tournament director and a few others were realizing they hadn't decided what the tiebreaker would be, as two teams had come in at 121.  While they were debating it, my team finished our round and posted a 120, which included my first ever sub-80 round.    Everyone gets a chance to feel like they're involved, although it probably isn't for the "few times a year" players that a scramble can get involved.   Some of my favorite not-involving-me stories from these events were the plus handicap players being the ones out for a hole -- if the #18 handicap hole number is a multiple of three, the rest of the team might have to carry the plus handicap.  
    • Some notes on what worked for my driver…. 1. Firmer grip pressure 2. Fling club back feeling like it’s left arm only. Right arm is along for the ride. *Kind of my go to for everything right now. It keeps the hands in, and allows me to feel like I can put the brakes on the backswing and swing the arms down. Also feels easier to get the right arm up off the chest.  3. Fricken rip it. If I do that, and I don’t lower the club with my body, I am stripping it. Biggest misses are maybe a slight pull or maybe a straight draw if I toe it.  
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

Welcome to TST! Signing up is free, and you'll see fewer ads and can talk with fellow golf enthusiasts! By using TST, you agree to our Terms of Use, our Privacy Policy, and our Guidelines.