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Hank Haney's Book "The Big Miss" about his time teaching Tiger

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1/8/12 at 5:22pm
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I hear Stevie is writing the forward b2_tongue.gif

 

This could be pretty good.  With a title like "The Big Miss" I think we get the idea Haney won't be holding back.  It will be very interesting to get an inside look at what Tiger is really like.  Tiger is so protective about his image, doesn't give the press much more than standard answers.  Haney did say he knew nothing about the affairs, I wonder how that will play out in the book.

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KAPALUA, Hawaii (AP) - Hank Haney is finishing up a book about the six years he spent as the swing coach for Tiger Woods.

The book is called ``The Big Miss,'' and it is scheduled to be published on March 27, which is a week before the Masters.

Haney says the book is a collection of his notes and observations from the time he spent working with Woods. He says he was with Woods for 110 days a year and stayed in his house for about 30 of those days.

Haney wrote the book with Jaime Diaz of Golf Digest. He is not revealing any stories from the book until it is published. But he says even the most ardent fans of Woods will find it hard to put down.

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post #2 of 417
1/8/12 at 6:59pm

It's a bit sad Haney feels the need to cash in on Tiger again, I guess he feels he didn't make enough off of Tiger as a swing coach.  I'm amazed these athletes that hire swing coaches, agents etc don't mandate a non-disclosure as part of their agreement.  If Tiger endorses the book I'll read it, if not, I doubt it, but can't say for certain I won't be tempted. 

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post #3 of 417
1/8/12 at 7:18pm

He certainly has every right to write a book, but I feel that the timing of it's release could detract attention from the Masters.

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post #4 of 417
1/8/12 at 7:20pm
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He certainly has every right to write a book, but I feel that the timing of it's release could detract attention from the Masters.



For about five minutes.

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post #5 of 417
1/8/12 at 7:36pm

"The Big Miss" should describe the opportunity and result that Haney was given in teaching Tiger. b2_tongue.gif

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post #6 of 417
1/8/12 at 7:38pm

I'm sure it's intentional.  Haney is hoping Tiger is in contention and the announcers will be reading exerpts from the book to help advertise it for him.  I wasn't a big fan of Haney but I'm guessing I'll like him less after the release of this book.   

 

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He certainly has every right to write a book, but I feel that the timing of it's release could detract attention from the Masters.



 

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post #7 of 417
1/8/12 at 10:01pm
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It's a bit sad Haney feels the need to cash in on Tiger again, I guess he feels he didn't make enough off of Tiger as a swing coach.  I'm amazed these athletes that hire swing coaches, agents etc don't mandate a non-disclosure as part of their agreement.  If Tiger endorses the book I'll read it, if not, I doubt it, but can't say for certain I won't be tempted. 



 

"The Big Miss" is what I've given every sports related biography thus far, so this should be no different. I care about their performances, and unless I know them personally, that's typically where my interest ends. Although I would be interested in how much money Tiger paid Hank Haney for his services. Do you have that information?

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post #8 of 417
1/8/12 at 11:29pm
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Here's the cover

 

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post #9 of 417
1/8/12 at 11:59pm

I am assuming that this book will not have Woods' blessing, if it honestly tells about their relationship.  Because of that, I think it will be interesting to read.  His handlers, and Woods himself won't allow anyone to pull aside the curtain to let the general public see the "real" Tiger.  Maybe this will do some of that.

 

On a similar note, there was an interesting article by John Feinstein in the latest Golf Digest http://www.golfdigest.com/golf-tours-news/2012-01/golf-tiger-woods-john-feinstein-book talking about his past experiences with Woods, and the lack of openness in the Woods/IMG/Nike camp.

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post #10 of 417
1/9/12 at 2:42am
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Originally Posted by newtogolf View Post

It's a bit sad Haney feels the need to cash in on Tiger again, I guess he feels he didn't make enough off of Tiger as a swing coach.  I'm amazed these athletes that hire swing coaches, agents etc don't mandate a non-disclosure as part of their agreement.  If Tiger endorses the book I'll read it, if not, I doubt it, but can't say for certain I won't be tempted. 



 

 

I'm surprised as well Woods and his people didn't have Haney sign a non-disclosure. I know Elin did, maybe they just never expected Haney would write a book.  I know Tiger doesn't pay that well to his instructors, Butch has talked about that.  Tiger is know to be pretty cheap but I think he expects the exposer and street cred that comes along with being Tiger's coach will get you a few endorsement deals and bring in waves of students.

 

Here's a recent tweet Haney made

 

 

 Hank Haney 
 
Your opinion will not but substantiated RT : don't need to read it to see you'll do anything for a dollar. You're pathetic.

 

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post #11 of 417
1/9/12 at 9:14am

Between $400 - $500 per hour is what I've read.  His rate before Tiger was $400, his rate currently is $500.  Harmon now charges $600/hr.  According to Haney he spent 110 days a year with Tiger for six years.  At $400 / hr he made $352,000 a year.  At $500 / hr it works out to $440,000 a year. 

 

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"The Big Miss" is what I've given every sports related biography thus far, so this should be no different. I care about their performances, and unless I know them personally, that's typically where my interest ends. Although I would be interested in how much money Tiger paid Hank Haney for his services. Do you have that information?



 

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post #12 of 417
1/9/12 at 9:28am

It's no wonder Tiger and Hank got along well -- Hank's reputation was that he was fairly frugal. As to cashing in, if anyone thinks he will talk about Tiger's personal life, I don't think so. That's not Hank, from what I've heard. I will bet it sticks to golf and what the two went through together.

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post #13 of 417
1/10/12 at 12:00am
A friend was caddying in a pro am with Tiger and a high level exec from a fortune 100. And he said Tiger was cool. He came up and asked my buddy Robert for his name. And Tiger said thanks Robert, I've got like 6 other guys out here and I'm trying to keep everyone's name straight. So you don't mind if I just call you 'R' for short do you?

He said at the end of the round Tiger was very generous with the tip for being a caddy too in the group. Even though he didn't even carry Tigers clubs, he got a $100 from Tiger.
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post #14 of 417
1/10/12 at 12:59am

From what I've been hearing, this book will pertain to Hank and Tiger's work together and nothing else (wish I had a source to cite here but I don't). If that's so then I think it will be a really interesting read to learn more about Tiger's training, private work, etc, rather than all of the tabloid drama. Like others have mentioned though, it is interesting how Tiger did not have Hank sign a non-disclosure clause while most everyone else around him did.

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post #15 of 417
1/10/12 at 8:52am

The articles I've read about the book thus far claim that Tigers womanizing and marriage problems are only covered in the book with regards to how they affected his golf.  Haney claims to only write about what he and his co-author personally observed during their time with Tiger and since neither were aware of his cheating it's not covered in his book.  Also was interesting that Haney was the only one to not sign a non-disclosure, according to Tigers agent Harmon and others were all forced to sign one but Haney never did.  Haney claims it was his intent from day one to write a book on Tiger so maybe he refused. 

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post #16 of 417
1/10/12 at 10:20am
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A friend was caddying in a pro am with Tiger and a high level exec from a fortune 100. And he said Tiger was cool. He came up and asked my buddy Robert for his name. And Tiger said thanks Robert, I've got like 6 other guys out here and I'm trying to keep everyone's name straight. So you don't mind if I just call you 'R' for short do you?
He said at the end of the round Tiger was very generous with the tip for being a caddy too in the group. Even though he didn't even carry Tigers clubs, he got a $100 from Tiger.


That's cool. Although it's standard procedure to ask for peoples names in the group you play with - to tip $100 is pretty generous

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post #17 of 417
1/10/12 at 2:50pm
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Between $400 - $500 per hour is what I've read.  His rate before Tiger was $400, his rate currently is $500.  Harmon now charges $600/hr.  According to Haney he spent 110 days a year with Tiger for six years.  At $400 / hr he made $352,000 a year.  At $500 / hr it works out to $440,000 a year. 

 

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"The Big Miss" is what I've given every sports related biography thus far, so this should be no different. I care about their performances, and unless I know them personally, that's typically where my interest ends. Although I would be interested in how much money Tiger paid Hank Haney for his services. Do you have that information?



 



That's very interesting indeed. I've read in more than one place (can't recall where - might have been one of those "I heard that . . . " type things in a golf forum) that Butch and Hank were not paid for their time by Tiger. Does anyone have exact numbers?

 

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post #18 of 417
1/12/12 at 2:32pm
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Journalist Thomas Bonk runs a Q&A on his personal blog with Golf Digest columnist Jaime Diaz, the ghost writer behind Hank Haney's upcoming Tiger book. Diaz says it's not a "tell-all," but that readers will still learn more about the former No. 1 player in the world.

1: Is this an important book?
Diaz: "I think Tiger is golf history. Because Tiger has been so private and there’s been such a tremendous pent-up curiosity about him, that naturally gets a lot of attention. And having a better understanding of Tiger Woods is compelling."

2: What’s Hank’s motivation, do you think?
Diaz: "Hank is a very sensitive guy who was always very tuned to the way he was portrayed as Tiger’s coach. I think he wanted to have his own voice as what he knows to be the truth. And I’ll say this, from my part, he couldn’t have been more cooperative and he couldn’t have tried harder."

3. Your reaction to the fact that this is not a ‘tell-all’ book?
Diaz: "I didn’t feel frustrated at all with the subject matter not going places it could have gone. It concerns itself with golf areas. Look, Hank was a very influential guy with Tiger in person. It’s a golf book primarily and you can’t separate golfer from golf personality."

4. Is there another Hank book coming, something more controversial?
Diaz: "I don’t think he held back. He emptied the void. He completely covered his six years with Tiger. And, honestly, he roots for Tiger."

5. Did you discover something about Tiger that you didn’t expect?
Diaz: "Doing the book made me appreciate Tiger’s great motivation because I started to understand just how difficult it is to be as good as he is. He’s not Superman. He’s human. He’s got golf issues and he needs to work on them, that’s what Hank had to address when working with him. To be really great, you have to work diligently and overcome them. While he’s gifted, he still had to prepare himself like any golfer. His greatness has been taken for granted in terms of people saying it’s all been easy for him."

 

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