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post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 
hey, I have a class in school where I have chosen to provide statistics on how player behavior affects the score.
Now, during the PGA Championship, I would be so happy if you could help me, if a player swears or throws a club from Friday to Sunday.
Please write day / player / holes / what he did.
thank you very much!
post #2 of 18

No problem dude have a relaxing weekend and I'll have your reports ready Sunday night.  Take it easy.

post #3 of 18
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by TJBam View Post

No problem dude have a relaxing weekend and I'll have your reports ready Sunday night.  Take it easy.

That would be to so much help, will look as much as possible.
Have a nice weekend! 
post #4 of 18

Is this the sort of thing you want?.....

 

Player x

5th hole

Frowned after poor drive.

Made a putt for birdie

 

This would prove that frowning leads to birdies, right?

How are you going to account for good behaviour?

 

This is absurd. Even if it is primary school project.

There is not one single statistic that you could possibly come up with.

post #5 of 18
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Originally Posted by Shorty View Post

Player x
5th hole
Frowned after poor drive.
Made a putt for birdie

Angel Cabrera
Holes 1-18
Did you know his son caddies for him?
Missed putt for double bogey.
post #6 of 18
Perhaps his son was misbehaving.
post #7 of 18

Lnus, good luck with this....I won't see much this weekend, so I can't help...but do hope you get some decent data for the project......and by the way, don't pay any attention to the BS from shorty and jamo above....they are either ignorant about what is the true value of the project, or they are just asshol*s....either way, best to ignore.

 

Cheers.......

post #8 of 18
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Originally Posted by BallStriker View Post
, don't pay any attention to the BS from shorty and jamo above....they are either ignorant about what is the true value of the project, or they are just asshol*s....either way, best to ignore.

 

Cheers.......

Oh really? Ignorant, eh?

Please enlighten us about the "true value" of this project.

There is no possible way to assess any "data" at all.

First of all, you won't see any club throwing and if you did, how could you assess its impact upon the score?

And, as previously mentioned, how would you account for good behaviour? Where can you draw ANY correlations.

"True value" indeed............

Any teacher who accepted this projected as being worthwhile is a fool.

post #9 of 18
In my experience, a player's score affects their behavior much more than the inverse......

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post #10 of 18
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Originally Posted by David in FL View Post

In my experience, a player's score affects their behavior much more than the inverse......

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Well put. That is probably the experience of most.

But, of course Ballstriker is very keen to see the results of this important research which the OP wants others to do.

 

I saw Tiger muttering after a poor drive this morning. That is probably vital research. I think he one putted for par.

post #11 of 18

Players are individuals. For some getting mad after bad shots (and then getting it back together before the next) is their nature. Tiger and (from what I've read) Bobby Jones are examples of that. Although the rules require those players to at least keep some level of control over their actions it's not a big deal when they show anger over a poor shot. 

 

Others stay on a more even keel throughout the tournament and it's hard to tell from body language whether they have just hit a good shot or a bad shot. Jason Dufner and Retief Goosen are examples of that.

 

Most people are somewhere between the extremes.

 

I reckon acting out of character would be a red flag but other than that I would say it means very little.

 

Of course when everything is going perfectly everybody has good body language. If I turn on the TV and Phil is walking to the 16th tee and is smiling and high fiving the crowd I figure he's on a roll.

post #12 of 18
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Originally Posted by Lnus View Post

hey, I have a class in school where I have chosen to provide statistics on how player behavior affects the score.
Now, during the PGA Championship, I would be so happy if you could help me, if a player swears or throws a club from Friday to Sunday.
Please write day / player / holes / what he did.
thank you very much!


Here is an idea.  Why don't YOU watch it on TV and YOU compile the data.  And then YOU can explain to the professor why selective data (since they do not show every shot on TV) which has to be subjectively interpreted in the first place could possible have any validity at all? 

 

If the prof has anything on the ball he will have already earmarked your project for an F based on premise alone.  And I say that as someone who was a practicing applied mathematician (an actuary) for over 20 years.  You would do better to stand by a crosswalk and see if the color of someone's hair has any correlation with whether they step off the curb with their right foot or their left foot.

post #13 of 18
Thread Starter 
Hi, simple! Therefore I DON'T have the possibility to see all days.
I was just asking for help, and if someone does it I would be so happy, but if you can't help why do you even put your energy in it?
You can get the ball location by Shotlink, and by that see where the ball end up, and compare how different players react on different lies. 
If I get an F I have learned from my mistakes, and had funny on the way. 
 
Peace.
post #14 of 18
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Originally Posted by Lnus View Post

Hi, simple! Therefore I DON'T have the possibility to see all days.
I was just asking for help, and if someone does it I would be so happy, but if you can't help why do you even put your energy in it?
You can get the ball location by Shotlink, and by that see where the ball end up, and compare how different players react on different lies. 
If I get an F I have learned from my mistakes, and had funny on the way. 
 
Peace.

You are asking for help for something that can't be done.

Your assignment makes zero sense and is a waste of time.

As mentioned, you may as well judge scores by the colour of shirts.

If your "professor" accepts this he/she is a moron.

post #15 of 18
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Originally Posted by Lnus View Post

Hi, simple! Therefore I DON'T have the possibility to see all days.
I was just asking for help, and if someone does it I would be so happy, but if you can't help why do you even put your energy in it?
You can get the ball location by Shotlink, and by that see where the ball end up, and compare how different players react on different lies. 
If I get an F I have learned from my mistakes, and had funny on the way. 
 
Peace.

 


Because some things are just so foolish they cry out to be mocked.  Which is evident, in your case, by the fact that you did not get ONE serious answer.  Because your premise and your request are equally ludicrous.

 

I mean seriously. "I'll do a project that is dependent on data (which I cannot clearly and objectively define in the first place) which I cannot collect myself, so I'll get perfect strangers that I have never talked to before gather the data (again, which I cannot define objectively) and report it to me, in a situation where I have no ability at all to check on the accuracy and reliability of the data (what if 2 people interpret the instructions differently?  How can you combine their data?) and then I will do some kind of statistical analysis on the data and come to some conclusion."  Seriously?  The whole thing violates just about every premise of statistics and the scientific method.  I cannot imagine any class you could take and think that this is in any way a reasonable project.  Either your professor is a dunce or you are.

 

Did you even THINK about the PRACTICABILITY of your project before deciding upon it?  Did you even THINK about doing something where you could collect the data yourself so at least you would know it had all been collected in a consistent manner?  Did you even THINK about doing your project on something where at least the data was objectively measurable?  Did you THINK THIS THROUGH at all?

 

The purpose of education is not to "have funny on the way" it is to learn something.  Yes we learn from our mistakes, but we should also learn from our class work, as that encapsulates the learned lessons from all the mistakes that came before.  Learning from your mistakes, when so simple and puerile, is a foolish thing to base an education on.  No classwork in the world could have led someone to come up with the project design (and I use that term loosely) you have described.  Unless, as I said, your professor is a dunce.  In which case you should be demanding a refund of your tuition money.

 

Sorry if I sound harsh, but as a teacher I am OFFENDED by what passes for education these days.


Edited by turtleback - 8/11/13 at 3:28pm
post #16 of 18
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Originally Posted by Lnus View Post

If I get an F I have learned from my mistakes, and had funny on the way. 
 
Peace.

What's better: learning from your mistakes, or knowing enough to not make the mistakes in the first place?

(I'll take option B.)
post #17 of 18
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Originally Posted by Lnus View Post

That would be to so much help, will look as much as possible.
Have a nice weekend! 

Hey, sorry about not doing any of your work for you last weekend.  My bad.

 

Ask your professor for an extension, I'll get it done this time, I swear.

post #18 of 18

Lnus, I suspect your real project is to see how many msg. board reactions you could get to a fake project. Well played. . a3_biggrin.gif
 

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