NHL 2020-21 (or just 2021)

[billchao]

2 hours ago, mcanadiens said:

If there wasn't still grey area then, by your logic, the NHL would have dealt out several of your 10-game suspensions. I know. The dinosaurs are still in charge.

No, that’s not how the rules are per the CBA. Supplemental discipline is at the discretion of the commissioner’s office. That’s why the rulings are not consistent, because there’s no defined line to start from.

2 hours ago, mcanadiens said:

Don't fret. The trend is obvious.

Player protection is a priority and eventually the NHL will be a non-contact version of the sport. I'm sure you and your enlightened friends will enjoy the game very much.

Holy hell, you think the only solution is to make the sport non-contact? You’re over here talking about grey areas yet you yourself can’t seem to make an argument that isn’t black and white.

Hitting is part of the game. Hitting people in the head, or from behind into the boards, or at full speed from 90’ away should not be. They’re dangerous plays and that’s why they’re already against the rules. The problem is that penalties within the game are not enough of a deterrent to stop people from doing these things.

Hell, I still cringe every time I hear an announcer complain about a weak call because someone’s stick made contact with an opposing player’s glove. You know why they cracked down on slashing? Because somebody had the the tip of their finger cut off. Was it a freak accident? Sure. Is it preventable? Definitely. That’s the point.

[iacas]

3 hours ago, mcanadiens said:

If there wasn't still grey area then, by your logic, the NHL would have dealt out several of your 10-game suspensions. I know. The dinosaurs are still in charge.

Don't fret. The trend is obvious.

Player protection is a priority and eventually the NHL will be a non-contact version of the sport. I'm sure you and your enlightened friends will enjoy the game very much.

[Billy Z]

Scheifele has a pretty good record with 237 penalty minutes in 575 career regular-season games, pretty good evidence that he didn't intend anything malicious. Another reason he only got four games.

[iacas]

24 minutes ago, Billy Z said:

pretty good evidence that he didn't intend anything malicious

No it’s not.

[Billy Z]

7 minutes ago, iacas said:

No it’s not.

He also testified himself that it wasn't intentional.

[iacas]

3 minutes ago, Billy Z said:

He also testified himself that it wasn't intentional.

Ooooooooooooh.

[billchao]

43 minutes ago, Billy Z said:

Scheifele has a pretty good record with 237 penalty minutes in 575 career regular-season games, pretty good evidence that he didn't intend anything malicious. Another reason he only got four games.

I think a player’s history should only be relevant in that subsequent disciplinary action would be more severe. First offense should be x amount of games, second offense y amount, and so forth. A player shouldn’t be given leniency for a dirty play just because he’s not a dirty player. A dirty play is a dirty play.

[mcanadiens]

12 hours ago, billchao said:

Holy hell, you think the only solution is to make the sport non-contact? You’re over here talking about grey areas yet you yourself can’t seem to make an argument that isn’t black and white.

My point was that there is a lot of gray area. The other guy's argument was that it was black and white. 

My use of non-contact was merely to illustrate the one way you could make it less subjective. 

 

 

 

[Billy Z]

Question: Why should a player be allowed to check another player when he doesn't have the puck? 

[mcanadiens]

20 minutes ago, Billy Z said:

Question: Why should a player be allowed to check another player when he doesn't have the puck? 

That would generally be ruled interference. Normally, a two-minute penalty.

It is one of those calls that are missed on a not infrequent basis.

[Billy Z]

This is what I had in mind. I believe this rule is abused and should be tightened up a bit. 

https://www.sportslingo.com/sports-glossary/f/finish-the-check/

 

[measureoffsetinnm]

9 hours ago, mcanadiens said:

That would generally be ruled interference. Normally, a two-minute penalty.

It is one of those calls that are missed on a not infrequent basis.

That puts it a level beneath crosschecking, which appears to be the NHL's version of traveling.

[mcanadiens]

12 hours ago, measureoffsetinnm said:

That puts it a level beneath crosschecking, which appears to be the NHL's version of traveling.

Cross-checking can often be a two-minute penalty as well. It depends on the severity which is up to referee discretion.

Vicious shots may draw a five-minute penalty, but you'll also see a lot of small cross-checks go unpenalized from game to game.

 

[Billy Z]

1 hour ago, mcanadiens said:

Cross-checking can often be a two-minute penalty as well. It depends on the severity which is up to referee discretion.

Vicious shots may draw a five-minute penalty, but you'll also see a lot of small cross-checks go unpenalized from game to game.

 

imo, a cross check should 'never' be allowed, no matter what situation. 

[mcanadiens]

2 hours ago, Billy Z said:

imo, a cross check should 'never' be allowed, no matter what situation. 

The relative strictness that the league's officials call penalties ebbs and flows over time. 

I remember directly after the 04-05 lockout that refs were whistling all manner of obstruction penalties. Half the game was on the power play for one team or the other. Hooking penalties were very popular.

Practically speaking, you could call a boatload of penalties in most games, so they sort of pick and choose the more significant ones. If it erases a clear-cut scoring chance, it is much more likely to get a whistle. It's kind of like holding penalties in American football. Call too many penalties and the game would get tough to watch. Crackdowns, like the one I mentioned, can result in a cleaner game. It's up the NHL each year to set its referee's priorities.

All that said, the current standards are hardly the worst we've seen. The game in the 90s looked like a dance contest by comparison. 

[Billy Z]

Pick tonight's scores:

Tampa @ Carolina

(TB leads series 3-1)

 

Vegas @ Colorado

(series tied 2-2) 

Edited June 8, 2021 by Billy Z

[measureoffsetinnm]

9 hours ago, mcanadiens said:

Cross-checking can often be a two-minute penalty as well. It depends on the severity which is up to referee discretion.

Vicious shots may draw a five-minute penalty, but you'll also see a lot of small cross-checks go unpenalized from game to game.

 

Yeah that is what I meant. They never call it until it is extremely egregious.

[mcanadiens]

On 6/8/2021 at 3:37 PM, Billy Z said:

Vegas @ Colorado

These two teams are stupid fast.

My club is going to have to stay in front of them and take advantage of their mistakes to win this one.

Big step up from the Leafs and Jets. That's for sure.