Instructional Video Critique Topic

[Ty_Webb]

I am six and a half minutes into this video and honestly don't think I can handle any more of it. I do see some of my swing in his - sucks it inside and gets across the line at the top. He also looks like he comes OTT a little, but is then very in to out. That's probably my cluelessness about the swing showing up though. Did I hear him say he's 15* in to out? That's insane and not something I would think anyone would want to do. I'm surprised he put this out there if his goal is to sell his method to other people, you'd think he'd find someone good who uses it to model it, not himself.

[iacas]

Well, it was four years ago, but… yeah.

[ChetlovesMer]

17 hours ago, iacas said:

This video is a train wreck for multiple reasons…

Andy Plummer most will know. The golfer is Tom Saguto, he of 400k YouTube subscribers and you can follow his plan to get "crispy ballstriking"… as seen in the video above???

Oy. No more comments for now. Curious to hear what y'all think.

Eric, Man, I'm sorry.

This video is just too damned boring. I don't know what's going on like half the time. I've tried to watch it a couple of times but I get like 5 to 10 minute in and realize I'm thinking about what I'm going to make for dinner or if I should do laundry on Saturday or if I should do it on Sunday. Then I try to restart it and pay attention and my mind wanders again. 

I just can't get through it. Sorry, man. 

 

[Ty_Webb]

2 minutes ago, ChetlovesMer said:

Eric, Man, I'm sorry.

This video is just too damned boring. I don't know what's going on like half the time. I've tried to watch it a couple of times but I get like 5 to 10 minute in and realize I'm thinking about what I'm going to make for dinner or if I should do laundry on Saturday or if I should do it on Sunday. Then I try to restart it and pay attention and my mind wanders again. 

I just can't get through it. Sorry, man. 

 

You did better than me! 🤣

[iacas]

Who is Eric?

[ChetlovesMer]

5 minutes ago, iacas said:

Who is Eric?

Sorry, I meant Erik. I type faster than I think. 🤷‍♂️

[boogielicious]

I turned it off in the first five minutes. His weight was way on the heels at setup. Even I know that’s not a good setup.

[iacas]

Oh Gary…

 

[saevel25]

50 minutes ago, iacas said:

Oh Gary..

That was tough to watch. 

Gary deserves the....

facepalm of the day! 

[iacas]

What drives me nuts most about Elite Golf Schools/Milo Lines type instruction is:

• Claims about the "health benefits" of swinging like they prefer.
• Claims about how "athletes" should move
• Claims about the advantages of swinging the way they swing (while constantly listing golfers like Rory, Tiger, Scottie, Jack, etc. as "swingers")
• Basing much of their "analysis" on 2D video and what they think is happening versus 3D and force plate data.
• Ignoring facts and data in other ways.

I didn't time stamp my notes, but you can pretty much follow along…

• Jimmy Walker (why Jimmy Walker? Because he has a "not great" swing that exaggerates some of what he sees as flaws?) vs. Viktor Hovland (even though he notes Scottie as a swinger), also notes that Rory has a higher ROC than Viktor at 18:40 (another swinger).
• Also… Jimmy won a major ("Hovvie" doesn't) in 2016, got Lyme disease in 2017, and this video is from 2018 when he was saying he couldn't practice, couldn't play, etc.
• Also, there's never been a correlation between Rate of Closure and either distance or accuracy. It sounds like there would be, but there isn't. You have accurate and inaccurate, long and short, and every combo of those players who have high ROC and low ROC and everything in between. No correlation. But it sounds good…
• Main reason for Riley's "preference" is injury prevention. D'oh! Never shown any actual evidence or support for this, and the rash of players moving away from the "extreme-right-side-bend/rotational" for their health is just ignored, I guess. He will talk about Jimmy Walker's shoulder tilt and "right side bend" at P8, but ignore that Viktor's right shoulder is about 18" below his left at P9.
• Then he goes into the high ROC stuff I wrote about above.
• Seriously, again, Jimmy Walker less than a year after a Lyme Disease diagnosis? From 2018?
• Riley now likes to say that golfers "express the golf club to the golf ball." 😛  Oy.
• Says Walker's swing is "lots of lateral bend" (right side bend) while the body moves up and pelvis goes forward.
• See Image 1 where he's comparing himself to Hovland and let's see if you can spot the differences!
• Riley is not doing ANY of this using 3D, just what he thinks and what it looks like on a video. If only we had measured data on these kinds of things.
• Word Salad just jumped to level 7. He's now using the words "antecubital fossa" instead of just saying "elbow pit" or "inside of your elbow." Also, you could just call it the cubital fossa if you want to use a medical term, but adding "ante" adds two syllables and makes him look smarter (he thinks?).
• Jimmy Walker is at P8.2 while Hovland is at P7.2 and he's comparing left arm internal rotation. Riley clearly doesn't know the YouTube shortcuts , and .
• Opening the chest is a clubface opener. It makes it tougher to square the face. Riley keeps saying Hovland squares the face with heavy rotation of the chest.
• Oh geez. Now he's saying they're "more or less stacked up" by guessing at where the centers of his rib cage and pelvis are at P5 by looking at an off-angle video on YouTube. We can and have measurements for these kinds of things. See Image 2. You want to know who's actually stacked up late in the downswing? See Rory McIlroy, a swinger, in Image 3.
• Almost all of the stuff around 18:40 and Rory vs. Viktor is laughable. a) Rory is as "stacked" for as long as almost anyone, b) Rory's high ROC and "swinger" pattern have led to a 15-year span in which he's consistently top 5 in the world, and often #1, and won the Career Slam.
• Riley doesn't seem to understand how pressure is generated at 21:02. Some of the biggest swayers generate the least pressure in the left foot, and some of the biggest rotators generate the most. He's guessing at Jimmy's and Viktor's pressure/force numbers.
• Lost steam after that stuff. He doesn't say much in the last six or seven minutes anyway.

A summary, which is almost a comment I made on the YouTube video.

If only we have actual measurements (3D, force plates). It'd contradict or show to be misleading if not outright false a LOT of what you have to say. Video was great… two decades ago, and it's an effective tool for practicing, etc. largely due to its availability, but you're guessing at things. We have better tools now than video. You guess at things golf instructors (and biomechanists, and others) have actually measured. What's worse, you wrap it in an "injury prevention" package with zero evidence of that (and the evidence at the highest level generally supports NOT moving like Will Z or Joaquin Niemann, who is moving AWAY from being the type of "mover" that you like).

There are too many factual errors or asterisks to detail in a single YouTube comment, so I won't bother to list them all out.

Also… Rory's had a 15-year career of being a top-five player in the world. Scottie and Tiger, both "swingers," have put up some of the best seasons we've seen in the last 30 years. The two greatest players of all time in Tiger and Jack are both swingers… While Hovland is constantly searching for his swing and tinkering. Jason Day, Will Zalatoris, Joaquin Niemann… etc. are moving away from this extreme-right-side-bend, rotation-heavy "hitter" pattern for health reasons (and quality of play reasons).

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